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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mass piss-up?

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Litterpicking · 19/04/2025 07:45

Has anyone noticed the India Willoughby post on X, re-tweeted by For Women Scotland promoting the #pee4me “mass” demonstration tomorrow in Parliament Square in protest at the SC “removing legal protection from women who are trans”. A mass public urination on Easter Sunday will certainly win over the British public.

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ItisntOver · 19/04/2025 19:00

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 19/04/2025 17:35

Statues defaced. This is a shocking one. (Will take a few seconds to show up.)

On reflection, is this overt defacement and vandalism on a par with what the Fawcett Society has itself done to Millicent’s legacy?

PriOn1 · 19/04/2025 19:04

TheOtherRaven · 19/04/2025 18:55

This will get pinned down (hopefully) in the guidance.

To my reading the judgment seems to be along the lines of if it was necessary or reasonable/needed/desired to provide a specific women only something in the first place, then it was proportionate and necessary, or it would have been mixed sex, and to add any men changes its purpose/ability to do this.

If this is the case, then it is rather different from Stonewall law which has insisted that every single separate attempt to say no to male entrants must be based on women proving to the last decimal place their justification for it being 'proportionate and necessary' with almost nothing being agreed to ever be proportionate and necessary enough, such as privacy, dignity, safety, etc never mind the right of association. Lots of talk about the bar being set 'very high'. ie very unlikely to be allowed.

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Yup. Case by case meant that each group that wanted to exclude one sex, had to be able to justify why that was necessary in their case.

Stonewall spread the lie that case by case meant women’s groups had to justify excluding each and every man whi claimed he was a woman individually on a case by case basis.

They really were slippery in every way and I’m glad it backfired on them. They are, in large part, the creators of this mess, and just think how much money they’ve pissed away (to coin a phrase) wasting ten years pushing lies, only for it all to be revoked by this wonderful court case.

Screamingabdabz · 19/04/2025 19:05

PriOn1 · 19/04/2025 18:54

Once again, for a supposedly universally villified, tiny minority, they’re able to rally quite a lot of support at extremely short notice.

…And boldly aggressive and hateful. Funny that.

WeeBisom · 19/04/2025 19:13

fanOfBen · 19/04/2025 18:52

The DM and the BBC have the same interpretation: "This means transgender women with a gender recognition certificate can be excluded from single-sex spaces if "proportionate"." - but that's not right, is it? I thought the point is now that, like other men, they are automatically excluded from any single-sex space (coz if they were allowed in, it would not longer be single-sex...), and single-sex spaces are allowed where proportionate.

The proportionality assessment applies to whether it would be proportionate and a legitimate aim to have a single sex space. The Equality Act says that IF it's proportionate and legitimate to have a single sex space then it is not sex discrimination to exclude men from that space. The Equality Act also says that if that same single sex space is proportionate/legitimate, then it's not discrimination on the basis of gender reassignment to exclude trans people from that space. This means that both all males, whether they are trans or not, can be excluded from female only spaces so long as the space itself is proportionate/legitimate.

If it's not proportionate,or if the single sex space doesn't pursue a legitimate aim, then you exclude men or transwomen from the space without it being discriminatory.

The key take away is this. If a space is a single sex space, and it's proportionate/pursues legitimate aim, then BOTH men and transwomen must be excluded in order for it to remain a single sex space. If you admit transwomen to the space, but not men, this is discriminatory towards men as it has become a mixed sex space and there is no good reason to exclude one section of males but not the other. It is no longer possible, under the Supreme Court's interpretation, to have a situation where 'cis men' are excluded from a female space but 'transwomen are included' . Either all males are allowed in a space (in which case it's mixed sex) or all males are excluded (in which case it is a single sex female space).

TheAutumnCrow · 19/04/2025 19:21

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 19/04/2025 17:35

Statues defaced. This is a shocking one. (Will take a few seconds to show up.)

'FAG PIGHTS'?

'SAFTEY'

They're at Goldsmith, right?

ItisntOver · 19/04/2025 19:22

Screamingabdabz · 19/04/2025 19:05

…And boldly aggressive and hateful. Funny that.

Fawning coverage in the Guardian.

WarriorN · 19/04/2025 19:31

WarriorN · 19/04/2025 14:57

video has been made private now…

ItisntOver · 19/04/2025 19:31

ItisntOver · 19/04/2025 19:22

Fawning coverage in the Guardian.

Archive

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WarriorN · 19/04/2025 19:38

Lots of clips on Jonny Bell’s Twitter feed SmileSmile

ItisntOver · 19/04/2025 19:44

WarriorN · 19/04/2025 19:38

Lots of clips on Jonny Bell’s Twitter feed SmileSmile

Julia Long assaulted.

x.com/onchairs/status/1913609790569271557?

WarriorN · 19/04/2025 19:52

I saw that. I hope she brings charges

WarriorN · 19/04/2025 20:03

Has there been mass toileting event yet?

fyi

Mass piss-up?
selffellatingouroborosofhate · 19/04/2025 20:05

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 19/04/2025 13:05

I REALLY REALLY hope they do this and it is splashed all over the front pages. Such a male protest.

it is splashed all over the front pages

I see what you did there.

INeedAPensieve · 19/04/2025 20:28

spannasaurus · 19/04/2025 15:47

And the face of this movement is a man convicted of torture and attempted murder

I really hope that the daily mail use that as the byline for the photo:-

"Here is a trans activist, who is a convicted torturer and attempted murderer, SJ baker holding up a flag and a dog."

ItisntOver · 19/04/2025 20:34

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 19/04/2025 17:35

Statues defaced. This is a shocking one. (Will take a few seconds to show up.)

Sad In A Box GIF

Update - Laurie Penny identified this as Emmeline Pankhurst I hold no brief for her but I can’t believe she is so heedless she’s yet to delete this.

x.com/pennyred/status/1913566913302589591?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/04/2025 21:06

It’s Millicent Fawcett. Penny is an idiot.

TheOtherRaven · 19/04/2025 21:08

Oh for pete's sake....

LizzieSiddal · 19/04/2025 21:17

I really hope they do this. The photos will have the same effect as the one of the rapist in the pink leggings (have forgotten his name).

Conxis · 19/04/2025 21:39

LizzieSiddal · 19/04/2025 21:17

I really hope they do this. The photos will have the same effect as the one of the rapist in the pink leggings (have forgotten his name).

Isla Bryson. Never to be forgotten

keeptalkinghappytalk · 19/04/2025 21:41

PR prize, sisters!

Greyskybluesky · 19/04/2025 21:42

SidewaysOtter · 19/04/2025 17:42

Fucking hell.

It’s always about hating women.

Hate us yet want to be us

DiaryofaProvincialLady · 19/04/2025 21:51

spannasaurus · 19/04/2025 15:28

Yes I do too. Millions of people will be revolted by it. And peaked!

We're you referring to this? It refers to reaching the peak not piquing an interest

There have been multiple mis-uses of peak on this thread.

Yours is also wrong. Yours should be "And piqued".

Pique has 2 meanings - curiosity AND irritation.

Side tangent but yesterday on here I saw "woah is me". 😤

Peak Mumsnet.

Serencwtch · 19/04/2025 21:57

So they're too embarrassed & unsafe to use the gents so they are pissing in public instead?!

Eh?!

At least they are making it clear to everyone that teams women really are men deep down.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/04/2025 21:58

Greyskybluesky · 19/04/2025 21:42

Hate us yet want to be us

They don’t want to be us, they want to replace us. It’s a completely misogynistic worldview.

Greyskybluesky · 19/04/2025 22:06

DiaryofaProvincialLady · 19/04/2025 21:51

There have been multiple mis-uses of peak on this thread.

Yours is also wrong. Yours should be "And piqued".

Pique has 2 meanings - curiosity AND irritation.

Side tangent but yesterday on here I saw "woah is me". 😤

Peak Mumsnet.

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No, it's peaked. As in reached the peak. It's a commonly used term in this context. Not piqued.

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