What my NHS Trust have said about the Supreme Court verdict

[Opinionpolecat]

The NHS Trust I work at sent an e-mail to all staff yesterday talking about the Supreme Court ruling. They stated that the judges have said that “woman” in UK law is based on biological sex. They go on to say that they want to be clear the ruling does not change the fact that everyone is welcome in the Trust and that they are an inclusive organisation. They say everyone deserves respect and understanding including staff, patients and families. They understand that some staff members may feel they need support at this time and recommend the LGBT+ staff network where LGBT+ staff and allies can find support and advice.

It struck me that they think only LGBT+ plus staff and allies will need support and advice, and the reassurance that the trust is such an inclusive organisation. They say nothing about the fact their policies have discriminated against female staff and patients for many years. They don't even admit to it but say this wasn't their fault, it was due to NHS wide guidance and they offer no apology to female staff, patients and their allies about these years of discrimination. They say nothing about the fact that for many years some female staff and patients may not have felt welcome or included within the Trust. Have any other NHS staff had similar messages?

Same where I work. What a load of sycophantic crap.

You should have been asked to write the comms. This is excellent and is the authentic version of inclusive to all 👏🏻

The TRAs need to apologise for being so close minded to as not see how trampling over the legal right of single sex spaces was not kind and wasn’t right. Thankfully the law agrees

That's fine, I'm sure my Trust isn't the only one saying this kind of thing

Could I ask all of you who are getting these emails from NHS trusts to hold on to them? I’m trying to think of a way of collating them (anonymously for you all) for the audit…

It's about the delusion that some TW think they're irresistible to straight men for reasons I really can't comprehend

Also the deluded belief that straight women are fearful that their partners will run off with TW given half a chance 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Or apparently that women are terrified to share spaces with trans identifying men because we think they all want to have sex with us.

Did I get that right?

I've seen these too and it's so weird. Why would anyone be bothered by a biological man using the same toilets as their husbands.

They're delusional if they really think that there would be "all those men having a party with [a transwomen] in the men's toilets"! By far the majority of men will be trying to ignore their presence and getting out of the gents as quickly as possible. If a transwoman tries to engage with us in the gents they can expect a pretty frosty response mist of the time. The gents is not generally a social space.

My housing association employer posted an almost identical message yesterday, reassuring "anxious" trans colleagues and reiterating about being an inclusive organisation. No mention made of how it will now need to review various policies and procedures, and obviously zero acknowledgement that many colleagues (mostly women) will be feeling less safe and less included today as a result of such obvious bias.

My trust sent a message out too. Of course either could be the same trust as for anonymity we probably don't want to say where we work!

I'll share the highlights

• Regardless of the ruling or judgement handed down, our commitment to inclusion, dignity, and respect for all — including our patients, our trans and nonbinary colleagues, friends and loved ones — remains unwavering.

• hate has no place here and everyone deserves to be recognised for who they are, to feel safe in their workplace, and to know they belong. That is not up for debate.

• We will be working to urgently review Trust policies to ensure that they remain legally compliant.

• if you witness or experience anything that doesn’t align with our values, I encourage you to speak up — we will listen, and we will act.

Trans women and you sound like the people who wanted to ban gay people from changing rooms and facilities in the 80s. Not everyone wants to have sex with you or see you with your bits out.

A male colleague actually brought up the ruling yesterday. He knows I am interested in the topic and I am very glad that awareness is spreading even outside of SEEN.

I pointed out to him that he could probably now throw out the unused tampons from the men’s toilets. He told me there’s also a bin for sanitary towels in there as well, which I didn’t know.

It’s going to take time, but I feel very empowered by the judgment and I hope many other women will too and will now feel able to assert their rights when they are challenged.

A significant portion of the trans populace exhibits narcissistic traits. There are sex based differences with trans id men being more likely to have a Cluster B personality disorder (PD) diagnosis and their female counterparts - depressive PDs. All this is to say that those trans id men boasting about stealing your man are vain and out of touch with reality. If you tell them they really aren't all that they'll spit back saying you're jealous (old, ugly, more mannish than they are). They tend to be extremely superficial and genuinely believe they are more attractive than actual women. They are unable to see things from another's perspective and have a shaky Theory of Mind. Yet another reason why they're so insufferable.

Nonsense. Lesbians had always used women’s changing rooms, so anyone who objected was obviously odd and homophobic.

Men who claim they are women have been demanding the right to move out of the correct space for them and into ours.

There is no comparison between these two situations.

I’d be very interested to see if any NHS Trusts use their own “Duty of Candour” policies to apologise to women for the distress they have caused.

Any singular trust may contain several hospitals within it, especially in big cities. The Trust is basically the group that manages a hospital or a group of hospitals.

The NHS has really left itself wide open to now being sued by staff they have silenced, bullied and told were in the wrong for trying to object to trans people in changing rooms and toilets.
I understand ignorance of the law is no defence

When one of the groups involved has always had it insinuated, or even explicitly stated, that their rights and protections as a group are lesser or unimportant compared to the other group, who must be centred at al times, I imagine many will continue to trivialise their concerns and achievements.

Every article or media peice talks about 'trans right' never 'women's rights'.

Unhelpful post, trying to be provocative.

I assume you are posting in an ironic way.....the comic book level of narrative is a give away.

I’d agree had women lost it’d of been hailed as a victory for progression over right hoarding dinosaurs. We’ve been told to shut up, budge up and be kind for years.

You sound very young; maybe you are the child of someone posting here...many of whom have husbands, children, relatives, acquaintances, family friends, students or pupils with trans identities; or who may even have identified as such themselves in the past.

I suspect some committed trusts may attempt to get around the ruling by providing only universal mixed sex spaces with full length doors. Sarah Montague, on Radio 4 yesterday suggested that all spaces could be named 'gendered' spaces rather than sex based spaces, for example, to get around the 'problem'.

You couldn't make this shit up. Astonishing!

Fantasists, in other words.