At first I cheered, then I got angry at the years of bullying and misinformation women have been subjected to

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The Supreme Court has said the word sex in the EA means biology - fantastic! Credit due to FWS for persisting.

But why did we need a court to say this?

Because TRAs have spent years spreading misleading information.

So then you have to ask why, for instance, was Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre able to advertise a vacancy as being under the Single Sex Exemptions but appointed a man who self identified as a woman.

None of the institutions in Scotland did anything to tell them they were breaking the law. Not funders, not politicians, not charity overseers - not even the organisation representing Rape Crisis Centres in Scotland.

Is this a specifically Scottish problem? In other parts of the UK posts advertised using the SSE no other women's service provider has done this. (As far as we know). Some women's service providers only offer SS services, some offer SS Services and also trans services, which shows they know the law. And advertise accordingly ie whether SSE or transinclusive.

When and who is going to investigate how those with power colluded to undermine the meaning of the SSE. And why Stonewall law was allowed or even promoted.

And we know the poison of the misinformation has spread particularly in more social, informal settings across the UK, and even the right of lesbians to be lesbian ie same SEX attracted.

But the added bonus of today's ruling is that with the judgement that sex is biological then the instance that the case was first started about, eg representation on boards, means companies can not include trans women to improve a companies SEX equality achievements.

And also now women's sport, women's changing rooms, women's toilets, women's (Ladies?) pond, and .... are going to mean SEX based.

So as I know there are many other threads celebrating the FWS victory today, just wanted to ask how is it possible that so many people and institutions were so willing to accept the misrepresentation that women's rights were subservient to trans rights.

And could this happen again?

I’m with your fury @JennyForeigner

ed to remove “speechless” as I’m not speechless - I have plenty to say particularly to the old friends who don’t talk to me any more because of my GC views.

I just want to say THANK YOU to all the amazing women (and men possibly) on this thread and other threads who have supported this cause and have been a voice of reason. I'm still elated about the ruling but in real life I can't express that to a lot of friends as they are either unaware of the whole issue, don't care or think it's a travesty for trans people. I don't understand why all women are not relieved but there you go. Maybe when more facts come out they will realise how important this ruling was for society in general.

Speaking of which, I'm in Ireland and there is ZERO coverage of this on our national broadcaster RTE. There is still nothing (afaik) from the UK government. There is very little coverage in our papers about this (the independent being the best so far with about 3 articles). Why is this? The generous interpretation is that it's Easter weekend but I don't know, I've a feeling they want to ignore the whole thing!

I'm so proud of all the people who actively fought for this ruling and it's very emotional listening to them talk.

Depressingly i just came back from a meet with lefty friends and i made a terfy comment - got nothing but silence. Do they not realise what a huge day April 16th was for women’s rights?! had the judgement gone the other way….

There’s still a long way to go.

Yes. The thing is though, before when this happened, we felt powerless, exasperated, angry, and sad.

Now the law is categorically on our side, clarified, beyond doubt. So we are in 100% a better place (so are they they just don’t understand that yet).

It does make me sad, so I suppose I do care a bit.. but.. they can think what they like now. I’m not going to let it upset me anymore, I’ve spent the last many years feeling horrible / confused / conflicted (😡) about this issue. Been gaslit. Not happening any more.

We won. 🙌

It’s the gaslighting and silence that have most affected me too. I feel your pain.

Now, I'm getting "oh but those are extremist views", "of course men shouldn't be in women's prisons". Haven gotten into heated arguments arguing just that for years previously.

Talk about gaslighting. Then again you're arguing with people with no backbone. And definitely not enough to admit they were wrong.

I'm feeling good today. Back at work, was expecting lots of trans flags and sad faces on the women's network group board (I work for a captured organisation in a very captured sector - I expect it to be one of the last to fully obey the law). There are no new comments since the judgement was made and the comments that are there have about 6 'likes'. The silence from everybody else, in an extremely hostile environment, signals a very loud level of support for the ruling. Delighted.

At least they are starting to identify extremism.

Take that as a win, because this starts to divide the trans umbrella...

Well I was just getting over the angry bit, when I think the same women reporter on the BBC I mentioned before, again put forward that the way to resolve the issue for the NHS wards and public toilets, was to label them by "gender". !!??!!

What does she thinks this means.

How would it work.

Or is she so stuck in Stonewall land that she thinks someone who is actually a woman should accept someone who thinks they have a female gender.

I despair.

She has clearly not read the judgement as this explains very clearly why this approach would not work. In fact that would be my response now - have they actually read the judgment? In full? And are they offering any serious rebuttal? If not, it is noise.

This fucking happened because people didn't do their fucking jobs!

But... why didn't they? I don't get it.

I remember ten years ago my frustration that all this was going on and nothing about it was ever on the news (journalists not doing their fucking jobs). I craved for something, anything, that covered what I saw happening around me. Now I can't get away from news items about these issues. What changed? Why was the madness ignored, then not ignored?

The kicker is that ten years with little coverage that was not pro-men in women's spaces has meant that some people are now blinking and looking around and saying "whatnow?" And maybe it's too late.

I think its worth pointing out that Labour MPs who have flip flopped on this as soon as the judgement has been made have a common problem now going forward.

They've demonstrated that they never cared about women and actually they never really bothered about trans people either. They were used as they were viewed as vote winners and women were silenced because they were regarded as not important. Now the tide is changing and its obvious that the public feel lied to and that women and girls have been regarded as collateral damage who are unimportant and are fine to dismiss as 'hysterical' and having no rights to privacy and dignity all of sudden women's rights are now back in fashion.

The fickleness of the politicans who don't give a shit about anyone involved other than their own career prospects is the ultimate take away. They don't care enough to really consider the vulnerabilities of all those involve. Virtue signalling, towing the party line and PR is more important than having an opinion of your own or thinking for yourself.

I might have known that even a SC ruling wouldn't change the fact that 'A woman's place is in the wrong'.

Despite the ruling being clear, detailed [88 pages!] and at times witheringly dismissive of the Scottish Govt's arguments, our wrong-ness has just been re-framed:

we shouldn't act celebratory; we are hateful vengeful bigots; we are forcing poor poor marginalised transpeople to feel 🙁 and if there isn't a law against making transpeople feel 🙁there should be; and so on..

And in a lot of the media coverage, the ruling itself has been re-framed:
it has just created more confusion; it hasn't solved the social problems; there has to be a way to get around this SC ruling [!]; we must find a way to satisfy trans demands in spite of this ruling; and so on.

It's a constant struggle, isn't it? Even having the backing of the UK Supreme Court doesn't seem to mean much in the face of organised sexism.

Exactly. They're always known what a women is. But can't abide women standing up for themselves.

I think its worth pointing out that Labour MPs who have flip flopped on this as soon as the judgement has been made have a common problem now going forward

Kemi points out the lies

https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1914934121333170617

Dead right. I watched Phillipson's statement to the House last night. And of course, the SC decision showed how consistent she's been all along. 🙄Which she hasn't of course, as KB points out. They've all flip-flopped shamefully.

Good on her. Labour / Starmer are lying naturally now. There’s nothing they won’t say.