Supreme court ruling

[mids2019]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/uk-supreme-court-rule-legal-definition-woman

How do we think this is going to pan out? My feeling reading the piece is that the court is going to side with GC women.....hope so but we will see.

For sex purposes, they're male, and should be treated the same as all other males, otherwise this is discrimination against other males. Men who pretend to be women were always included in male single sex spaces. The only issue to be solved is that those men don't want to use the men's. There's nothing stopping them. They just don't want to.

So in a workplace, if Dave can't use the female communal changing room because he is male, then his friend Marilyn also can't use it if Marilyn is male, even if Marilyn has a GRC, because the GRC has not changed Marilyn's sex. Dave can't do intimate searches on women, Marilyn can't either,

The discrimination bit is to do with 'being trans' which is a separate thing from bio sex.

I was amazed when I found out that all you have to do to get your passport and/or driving licence re-issued under a new name and sex marker is to tell them you want it done. No GRC required. No checks of any kind. As stated in the post you are replying to, also no checks done if the police arrest someone and that person says 'I identify as a woman', kaboom! Crime gets recorded as committed by a female. Why? We've seen evidence in the past of people assuming that anyone identifying as the opposite sex must have had surgery, be taking hormones and been subject to lengthy professional treatment and counselling, when in fact none of this applies at all. We've had self-ID in all but name for a long time. Long overdue that we get rid of it and return to reality.

One can hope

Agree, some posters here are making big leaps of imagination but the ruling only makes it lawful to exclude trans people in a small range of situations, and nothing more. If you run a public facility, drafting policy to comply with all parts of equality legislation just became very challenging.
The most likely outcome is public facilities will generally be ungendered. It's unclear how all provisions of the law can be satisfied any other way.

Aha, of course.

In that case, the only other explanation that the ruling came as a shock is ego and privileged echo chambers. Which now does make more sense. Shame, as the Good Law Project would have been a splendid legacy.

This ruling is good news. I hope that this is the turning point for this ideology.

Happy beyond words I can't live in an Orwellian state anymore. Britain now = sanity island.

That’s not the case though. The fact they can’t be discriminated against means you have to treat them like any other man, so if they have access to male facilities that is all that’s needed. Sure, they might not like it, but they are being provided for.

There's an awful lot of 'musts' in there, Labour must do this and must do that, bossy sod's this activists aren't they.

I would like more clarity on the 'levers within' that they're going to be using, seeing's as this is the UK government they're talking about.

India Willougby is. Still proclaiming he’s a woman, always has been and always will be 😆😆🤔

What a relief.

Funny. I remember him presenting the local news and he was definitely a man then.

Welcome to reality, Jolyon. You need to get out more you absolute twonk.

I would expect there to be pushback on this though. Most people hate mixed sex toilets and in the case of changing rooms this would be a real privacy/safeguarding issue.

It might have been, if it had a better record of winning cases.

JM has skin in the game here, as at least one of his children has a trans identity. (Adult now and extremely vocal about it, so I think it can be mentioned here.)

I've only just arrived, so I haven't RTFT yet - I'm just going to settle down with some biscuits and do that now 😊

But I have to say, it's interesting how so many organisations are responding to this. And when I say interesting, I mean revealing.

I've seen various news reports from different channels, and many have been tripping over themselves to reassure the trans community that they are still protected and safe. Organisations like Amnesty International talking exclusively about trans individuals and their rights, and their future.

I mean, that's all great. The goal was never to cause harassment or discrimination to the trans community, but protect our sex-based rights.

But I can't help but think, why is no one talking about the impact on women? The differences it will make for women?

And I'm very certain, although I have no way of proving it, that if the result had gone the other way, Amnesty et al wouldn't be sending out spokespeople to talk about protecting women against discrimination. They'd be banging on about the victory in protecting trans people....

Even in a ruling that centres us, we're still being pushed to the side to reassure others.

I guess today I can be magnanimous enough to say that there may be trans people who are concerned and need reassurance. Maybe even answers. But actually at some point it would just be fucking nice if people were talking about the changes that this will make for women!!

Nothing is ever actually allowed to be about us, is it?!

A momentous day for women's rights, but not so much as a celebratory peep from the trans-captured Women's Institute National Federation

Is Eddie Izzard still trying to be a Labour MP or has he fallen out with Labour yet?

And the 'most people' does include most men too. All my male friends don't want mixed loos and changing rooms. As they'd feel awkward and uncomfortable and deserve their privacy too. Men in dresses, not an issue, apparently. As they're men. So I have been told.

I wasn't expecting Gilead to turn up.

Has anyone got any words from JKR or Helen or Maya etc? I'm not on X. Would love some screenshots.

'strip rights'

Except this is clarifying EXISTING law and EXISTING rights.

And someone I work with is worried about the setback for the rights of transwomen.

That's what seems to be being skated over, particularly in interviews. No rights have been removed. At all.

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