Supreme court ruling

[mids2019]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/uk-supreme-court-rule-legal-definition-woman

How do we think this is going to pan out? My feeling reading the piece is that the court is going to side with GC women.....hope so but we will see.

I watched and it all sounded terribly sensible.

A breath of fresh air!

So fucking proud that this will resonate throughout the world.

Your third paragraph particularly: YES.

I'm so glad and astonished.

The adults are finally returning to the room. On the face of it a victory for sanity, science and sheer commonsense. I expect the trans' lawyers are even now sharpening their knives to spot any tiny loophole.

Surely the Commons cannot do anything with new laws to reverse/weaken this can they? Sometimes the world is consumed by madness - politicians included. Let's hope we are finally rowing back from the new religion.

Trans men are women! And thanks to this ruling any of them who wants to give birth will not lose their right to legal protections in pregnancy and maternity. This is a good thing!

As previous post.

They legally can use their own sex's or mixed sex toilets in their acquired gender, free from discrimination, harassment or abuse.

Woot. They've won too. It's now recognised that they have this right (that they always had).

The 'trans rights' and 'equality' line has always been based on that a man with a chosen identity (and/or certificate) is a part of the sex class of women, and to say otherwise or to try to separate biological women as a group is like rejecting/excluding disabled women etc. We've seen the awful attempts to argue that.

There is no failure of equality or missing 'right' if women are a biological sex class that no man belongs to regardless of circumstance of that man.

Watching from Ireland.
Hoping to get a ripple effect from this.
Thank you women of Scotland. 🙏
And women of MN of course 💐

Just starting to skim the judgment - nice to see one of the Good Law Project cases getting a shout out. The fox-killer will be pleased.

Can anyone phone in to JO'B?

Also a silent reader and supporter of these boards who occasionally pops up at big moments to say "OMG!!!" 🎉

If it hasn't already been posted, here's a link to the webpage version of the text of the whole Supreme Court ruling:

supremecourt.uk/cases/judgments/uksc-2024-0042

Let's hope so. I'm still quite hesitant in real life despite the mountain of legal wins behind us.

They can.

If they wish to die on that hill.

Otherwise Farage will be PM and it'll all get changed pretty quick then. And possibly worse.

They can pick their poison: suck it up and sell it to the public as a progressive victory or be out of jobs soon enough.

Surely this mean that if a TW is not allowed in a women’s prison because he is not biologically female, then he can’t be discriminated against in a men’s prison because he is TW? If so, it will be on the prison system to provide a safe space for TW which does not mean opening up women’s spaces. Similarly all other women only spaces - as a pp said - third spaces will have to provided, which is what we have all advocated for all along. The trans activists have consistently (and, I would argue, purposefully) ignored this fact - women do not hate TW, we are protecting our spaces from men, no matter how they identify. Otherwise live your lives in dignity.

That was quite something to watch!
Well done FWS, Sex Matters, LGBA, amd The Lesbian Project!🙌

exactly - public opinion / pr optics will be strongly against parliament trying to go against this - don't forget that the majority of people have always thought that a man is a man and a woman a woman - it is only a tiny majority that have shouted loudly otherwise

Given Streeting's common sense approach to puberty blockers I'd be surprised if the government tried to reverse it - they're not fully blown TRAs

I think that trans women can still have their cake and eat it when it comes to discrimination claims.

They can use both their actual sex (male) and their perceived/associated sex (female) as the basis for a discrimination claim, depending on the circumstances, which is something that other people can't do.

What is interesting for women is that it should be more straightforward for a woman to bring a sex discrimination claim using a trans woman as her comparator. Because if a woman is trying to claim that she is not being paid equally to a man doing the same job, or that she was passed over for a job or a promotion on the basis of her sex, she would have difficulty if the person she wanted to use as her comparator is a biological male with a gender recognition certificate. This judgment clarifies that she can do that.

It also ensures that a trans man with a gender recognition certificate can also bring a sex discrimination claim using biological men as the comparator.

Starmer is. But he of all people, knows he can’t go against this ruling.

With regards to female spaces, we are in a situation where female only spaces are allowed, but not legally required unless it would discriminate against women not to have them - but as the providers of these spaces/ services are often trans activist dominated (such as councils) they have been ignoring the needs/ human rights of women due to Stonewall influence.

The Equality Act gives examples of changing rooms, hospital wards, abuse support - and we know that many places have given men who say they are women access to these. Currently women are being subject to appalling levels of voyeurism by males whatever their gender beliefs etc in eg mixed sex swimming changing rooms (these have often replaced SS changing rooms on trans lobbyists influence) where men have access to girls - and female victims of MVAWG unable to access any abuse support across the country.
https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2024/04/13/the-trans-lobby-has-destroyed-provision-for-female-abuse-victims-in-bristol-and-elsewhere-and-will-do-the-same-for-the-victims-bill/

The Tory government did a toilet consultation confirming many women avoid mixed sex public loos but trans activist councils are introducing them anyway. (Even after a little girl was raped in a supermarket women's toilet by a 'transgender woman' ie man).
transcrimeuk.com/

So I think we need the law clarified, police required to follow it, all males arrested if they enter female spaces, voyeurism treated as the sex crime it is, and all organisations required to provide SS spaces where needed for people's privacy, dignity and safety.

We are particularly grateful to Ben Cooper KC for his written and oral submissions on behalf of Sex Matters, which gave focus and structure to the argument that “sex”, “man” and “woman” should be given a biological meaning, and who was able effectively to address the questions posed by members of the court in the hour he had to make his submissions.

Go Ben Cooper!

This.

It's a protection of rights.

They can't be discriminated against for wearing a dress for example (but since women would be pulled up for inappropriate clothing, they can too).

Stuff like that - where there's no special treatment either one way or another. As in, y'know, equality.

He explained it in the live ruling - basically if someone discriminated against them because they perceive them to be a woman (even though they're a transwoman) they would still be protected by the sex discrimination part.

So happy - well done to everyone who’s worked so hard on this and done the gardening.
Hoping to see a quick end to gender neutral toilets, changing rooms, men in women’s hospital wards etc.