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Women's rights general conversations - Thread 10

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Kucinghitam · 10/04/2025 11:08

Continuation of Thread 9.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 9 | Mumsnet

Continuation of Thread 8. There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5132652-womens-rights-general-conversations-thread-9?

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Britinme · 23/12/2025 21:18

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 21/12/2025 15:46

Brown?

Khaki.

JanesLittleGirl · 23/12/2025 22:43

Britinme · 23/12/2025 21:18

Khaki.

I was thinking either sludge or khaki. Sludge having a slightly greener tinge. Bearing in mind that khaki is generic North African for shit. It has travelled into English as "Bugger! I've just kacked myself."

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 24/12/2025 14:54

Ha, the Mrs His Name offenders, all men, have been in touch. They're very sorry, they simply didn't think about it (typical!) and please will I put away the big stick I'm brandishing at them. Good, now don't do it again.

lcakethereforeIam · 28/12/2025 09:06

Apparently West Side Story's classification has been changed from PG to 12. The headlines I've seen are a bit click-baity, saying it's because of transphobia. It's not just that there's cigarettes too. What caught my attention is there's a minor character, originally a tomboy, called Anybodys who is now a transman. No argument, that's what she is. She feels manly, oh so manlyHmm

Britinme · 29/12/2025 13:46

Such nonsense.

moto748e · 02/01/2026 23:44

Yes, seen that clip many times. Experts, what do they know, eh? 🙄

NoBinturongsHereMate · 09/01/2026 23:27

Surrogacy exploits women and turns babies into products. A papal statement I can get behind: x.com/i/status/2009610550670393653

moto748e · 11/01/2026 18:30

Queering time? Hell, why not!

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/14647001251389818

NoBinturongsHereMate · 11/01/2026 18:35

That random nonsense paper generation website from the early 2000s is still running then.

lcakethereforeIam · 12/01/2026 13:23

Stumbled across this

Disabled university worker 'who had career sabotaged' after she misgendered trans colleague due to her 'short term memory problems' was discriminated against, judge rules | Daily Mail Online https://share.google/zcdxK6JbSbGglbTDR

No doubt Karen ne was treated disgracefully. I hope she gets more than token damages. I'd like to see the colleagues that ostracised her see some retraining. The woman who claimed to be a man behaved in a very stereotypically female way when 'misgendered'. Ironically, she should have been told to grow a pair.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 12/01/2026 17:29

Can't think where else to put this, so it can go here. Apart from the terfery this is why I stay on X. There's an account that does Woman of the Day posts and they're very entertaining and often have good comments, as this one does.

Today's WOTD was a chemist who invented easy-care cotton, which prompted the following comments. The post is here - https://x.com/TheAttagirls/status/2010613855563477098

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 10
YorkshirePuddingsGreatestFan · 12/01/2026 19:14

lcakethereforeIam · 12/01/2026 13:23

Stumbled across this

Disabled university worker 'who had career sabotaged' after she misgendered trans colleague due to her 'short term memory problems' was discriminated against, judge rules | Daily Mail Online https://share.google/zcdxK6JbSbGglbTDR

No doubt Karen ne was treated disgracefully. I hope she gets more than token damages. I'd like to see the colleagues that ostracised her see some retraining. The woman who claimed to be a man behaved in a very stereotypically female way when 'misgendered'. Ironically, she should have been told to grow a pair.

Brains are wired up to act automatically. We've all seen the experiment where you have a list of colours with yellow written in yellow, blue written in blue and so on. You can rattle all the colours off without thinking about it as your brain automatically associates the colour yellow with the word yellow etc.

Then you do it again and yellow is written in green, blue is written in red and so on. You either have to read the words or name the colours. Your brain knows this isn't right and you end up stumbling over it and really having to think about it.

It's the same with people. If you've spent several years at work saying "morning Bob" as he comes into the office, you just end up doing that on autopilot without really thinking about it. If Bob then decides he wants to be called Anna, it takes a while for your brain to adjust so you automatically say "morning Anna" instead.

Plus mix in conditions like the lady has, I've got menopause brain fog and frequently get names mixed up and there's other memory conditions too.

I know some people are hostile, but often people are not being malicious when they call someone by their old name or pronoun. It's just a slip of the tongue because your brain still associates them with their old name and gender. It would be nice if trans could recognise this and not go all guns blazing if people accidentally slip up.

DeanElderberry · 17/01/2026 17:39

X poster Psychgirl making a good argument against encouraging people to 'dress how you please'

x.com/Psychgirl211/status/1949401505653567705

moto748e · 17/01/2026 18:13

I agree with her. In the real world, there has to be some limits on "present how you like".

Kucinghitam · 21/01/2026 05:11

Middle-of-the-night insomniac thoughts.

Pulling together the ongoing and expanding Sandie Peggie vs Scottish judiciary misconduct imbroglio, the Darlington nurses' victory, the eventual lifting of the thumbscrews from Jennifer Melle (but I hope she's going ahead with suing the NHS), and by contrast the TRSOH paedo nurse who was initially just politely warned twice by NHS management to desist from sexually assaulting children and was considered more deserving of union support than any of those others.

Was everything always this upside-down inside-out through-the-looking-glass shameless-hyprocrisy-and-mendacity fucked up?

The cynic in me thinks it always was - just the sacred caste has changed with fashion.

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moto748e · 21/01/2026 11:16

I thought exactly that last night, Kuc, when I read about the paedo nurse. Another example of the Looking-Glass world. Similar comments have been made so many times, but it's true. They'd literally rather support the paedo. The trades union movement is absolutely fubar on this. With no-one wanting to put their heads above the barricade, I think.

Britinme · 21/01/2026 13:45

Listening to Mark Carney’s speech from Davos, I thought how much it also applied to the dawning realisation among a lot of people about the nature of being on the right side of history. This is from Carole Cadwallader’s Substack:

“He begins it with the story of a shopkeeper living under Communism from a book by Vaclav Havel, the Czech writer and dissident turned President. The news reports focussed on what Carney said about NATO’s article five but it’s what he has to say about truth that’s even more urgent and important.
“Every morning, the shopkeeper places a sign in his window: “Workers of the world unite.” He doesn’t believe in it. No one does. But he places the sign anyway to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists — not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false.

"Havel called this living within a lie. The system’s power comes not from its truth, but from everyone’s willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source. When even one person stops performing, when the greengrocer removes his sign, the illusion begins to crack.

“Friends, it is time for companies and countries to take their signs down.

“For decades, countries like Canada prospered under what we called the rules-based international order. We join its institutions, we praised its principles, we benefited from its predictability. And because of that, we could pursue values-based foreign policies under its protection.

“We knew the story of the international rules-based order was partially false, that the strongest would exempt themselves when convenient, that trade rules were enforced asymmetrically, and we knew that international law applied with varied rigor, depending on the identity of the accused or the victim.

“This fiction was useful, and American hegemony in particular helped provide public goods, open sea lanes, a stable financial system, collective security, and support for frameworks for resolving disputes.

“So we placed the sign in the window. We participated in the rituals, and we largely avoided calling out the gaps between rhetoric and reality.

“This bargain no longer works.

Let me be direct. We are in the midst of a rupture, not a transition.”

The end of the speech includes a call back to the Havel story:
“We are taking a sign out of the window.

“We know the old order is not coming back. We shouldn’t mourn it. Nostalgia is not a strategy, but we believe that from the fracture we can build something bigger, better, stronger, more just. This is the task of the middle powers, the countries that have the most to lose from a world of fortresses and the most to gain from genuine cooperation.

“The powerful have their power. But we have something too: the capacity to stop pretending, to name realities, to build our strength at home, and to act together.”

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 21/01/2026 13:53

@Britinme, sadly, Carney is very much TWAW, and Canada is very much captured. But one can live in hope…

Britinme · 21/01/2026 13:53

Maybe somebody could point out to him the logic of what he said.

moto748e · 21/01/2026 14:07

Does anyone think that Carney really believes in that bollix? I certainly don't. But that doesn't seem to matter, or help.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 21/01/2026 14:18

moto748e · 21/01/2026 14:07

Does anyone think that Carney really believes in that bollix? I certainly don't. But that doesn't seem to matter, or help.

I believe that Carney has a non-binary daughter. He sent her to the Tavistock before it was shut down.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 22/01/2026 16:28

SEEN in Health is tweeting the findings of the NHT policy audit carried out by @KnottyAuty and other wonderful wims of MN. They're doing a tweet per trust and tagging each trust.

If you're on TwiX, please amplify by retweeting if you can - or liking if you want to nudge the algorithm more privately.

Kucinghitam · 28/01/2026 16:36

I've just been listening to an episode of The Rest is Science, in which the hosts talk about the Trolley Problem and other psychology experiments (such as the Milgram and Stanford experiments) including a whistleblowing one - and how scary it was that every experimentee went along with what they knew was wrong, even when given opportunities to bow out, and afterwards only one person was willing to go on record as a whistleblower. Also further interesting discussion about the Bystander Effect, group dynamics, etc.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-rest-is-science/id1853007888?i=1000746128249

Just interesting in reflecting generally about, um, the Scottish government and judiciary, the Labour government, NHS management, etc etc.

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