English Blackball Pool Federation

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The hearing is scheduled for 7th-11th April at Canterbury County Court.

Tribunal Tweets will be following the case…

Live tweeting sessions Abbreviations
J - His Honour Judge Parker
HH - Harriet Haynes, claimant
RW - Robin White, claimant’s barrister
CC - Colman Coyle, claimant's solicitor
EBPF - English Blackball Pool Federation
PT - Paul Thomson, defendant
AG - Anna Goodwin, defendant
SC - Sarah Crowther KC, defendants’ barristers, and
SS - Sapandeep Singh Maini-Thompson
JRL - JR Levins LLP, defendants’ solicitor
JG - James Goodwin, witness for defendant

The original thread has been deleted for “breaking Mumsnet guidelines”. Not sure why but possibly “misgendering” or possibly making it too easy to find the crowdfund @mumsnet it would be good if you could let us know so this thread can stay up. Do we have to pretend that the Claimant is female?

RMW flailing with Van Boening's name again but couldn't remember the initials. After a helpful reminder RMW snarked 'I promise to take more interest in pool in future'.

You tell him Dr A.

Tbf to RMW there is an audio delay because the witness is in Colorado.

Yes, but by now RW surely should have managed to understand how it is working. And often it is clear that the witness hasn't finished speaking - ie giving that part of his evidence.

Oh. RW saying a lot that you haven’t done anything when criticising PF simulation. Then AD saying I did stuff but it was not admissible. So, is it like not allowing the charts showing top 100 male and female.

Defence Counsel interjects to quietly point out to RMW that RMW is now asking the witness about material that was stricken from evidence on RMW's own application last week.

i'd love to know what the other top female pool players, like Emma Cunningham, Barbara Taylor and Marion Jude, 'really' think of all this.

This witness evidence is invaluable. His experience with teaching gives him ++++ credibility.

Re examination. Dr A confirms he has taught cue sports to thousands of both men and women over 20 years. He confirms that there are differences between men and women in power shots, especially the break, and ability to pocket the ball.

😂😂😂 You truly couldn't make it up!

Preposterous sums quite a lot of what we’ve heard.

A short break now. I love Dr A.

I have a bit of a crush on him. He's such a sweetie.

He's been a very impressive expert witness. But human too.

It’s Dr Dave!

Just noticed the presence in online names of observers of a professor specialising in political philosophy specialising in sport. Not sure if naming him would be ok so avoiding that,

On balance, whose evidence do you think the Judge is more likely to find more compelling:
a) a non-player, computer-modelling/simulating the wrong game, with no allowance for height/arm length
b) a researcher who did a study comparing unfit trans (self-reporting fitness level) against elite female athletes
c) a mechanical engineering prof who has coached many many men and women to play pool and billiards and has been writing books/web resources on the games for 21 years?

Tricky, eh?

I think I read somewhere that HH also plans to sue another Pool Association?

J's questions. Some very careful technical questions about using power and control when balls are touching. Or not.

J - what would you say HH's Fargo rating is?
Dr A - haven't seen HH play but probably about 600.

Also a publicly declared gender critical police officer and an editor of a published gender critical book. All using their full identifiable names. I am in esteemed company and wish I understood more and was able to better grasp the complex arguments being presented. It's great to see this case getting the time and focus big names.

He’s speaking with clarity. Using language to more easily communicate, not couch it in dense scientific jargon. PF’s communication was so unclear. It really seemed to be a use of very scientific language to obfuscate.

The height thing was interesting. Dr Dave’s 6’2, so doesn’t regard 5’11 as tall.

Dr A says he's found online that HH has a Fargo rating of 629 which is pretty much what he estimated. Shortly afterwards RMW in the background says HH is surprised to find they have a Fargo rating. Dr A says maybe there's another HH or, as he can see the rating is marked not robust, perhaps it was based on a single competition.