English Blackball Pool Federation

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The hearing is scheduled for 7th-11th April at Canterbury County Court.

Tribunal Tweets will be following the case…

Live tweeting sessions Abbreviations
J - His Honour Judge Parker
HH - Harriet Haynes, claimant
RW - Robin White, claimant’s barrister
CC - Colman Coyle, claimant's solicitor
EBPF - English Blackball Pool Federation
PT - Paul Thomson, defendant
AG - Anna Goodwin, defendant
SC - Sarah Crowther KC, defendants’ barristers, and
SS - Sapandeep Singh Maini-Thompson
JRL - JR Levins LLP, defendants’ solicitor
JG - James Goodwin, witness for defendant

The original thread has been deleted for “breaking Mumsnet guidelines”. Not sure why but possibly “misgendering” or possibly making it too easy to find the crowdfund @mumsnet it would be good if you could let us know so this thread can stay up. Do we have to pretend that the Claimant is female?

Finished for the day. Back at 10am.

Await incoming monitors...

I'd never heard of Fargo ratings before, but they seem to be mostly about 9-ball (American) pool. Found the page, and got HH's rating, but searching for other female 8-ball players (and, indeed, male ones) doesn't show much. One or two are listed, with low "robustness" ratings. I surmise that to mean that they are 8-ball players who have played the odd game of 9-ball, so their ranking is based on only a few results.

https://fairmatch.fargorate.com/

I suppose I’d better clarify (sic!) that I have no idea whatsoever whether or not it was the intention of the good PF to obfuscate, but that is what that dense scientific jargon does to a non scientist.

The concepts can be difficult to grasp, and I think Dr Dave did a masterclass in speaking plainly. And indeed, he was easily able to pick out and elucidate on the pertinent points in the good PF’s simulation.

Funny RMW was snarky about it, given they expect everyone to take a great deal of interest in their idiosyncratic sense of identity, and seek to control the language we use about themself, such that we have to deny the evidence of our own eyes and ears.

Can anyone tell me the best way to query a deletion? Tx.

At the beginning of cross-examination RMW asked Dr Alciatore how to pronounce his name. Dr A explained very clearly and politely and with good humour. Over the next couple of hours RMW then proceeded to mispronounce it using pretty much every possible variation except the right one.
Dr A was far too lovely to say anything.

@Mmmnotsure did you get a deletion message? It usually says what the deletion was for

Well that didn't take long.

I'm not sure about the best way but others will know. I think there was some discussion at the beginning of the thread.

I am betting myself a large G&T it will be the pronouns you used. It's always the pronouns.

And @CriticalCondition is correct, it will be pronouns and they probably won't reinstate your post in that case. For some reason the pronouns of certain individuals are more important than other considerations

Well just caught up and read sub stack. Dave nailed it really IMO

You could report your own post and just ask. Doesn’t need to be the post in question. Then they will email you with an explanation.

@Chrysanthemum5
It just says Message deleted by MNHQ and here's a link to Talk Guidelines
@CriticalCondition
I don't think it would be pronouns, but would like to know what it is.

I don't usually have problems on Mnet and am surprised at this.

This is a post hopefully for MNHQ

It will be, I was locked out of my account this evening for it. I've re read the policy and will be more circumspect in future.

Thanks. Have tried that.

Bannedontherun · Today 19:37

Well just caught up and read sub stack. Dave nailed it really IMO

Could you link to it, please? I've trawled back through quite a few pages, but can't find it.

Thanks.

@SinnerBoy

https://archive.ph/6xLBW

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/2025.04.10-160153/threadreaderapp.com/thread/1910348923484483842.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.is/2025.04.10-160153/threadreaderapp.com/thread/1910348923484483842.html

@SinnerBoy
There were two sessions this pm. The first two links go to that. Don't know what that weird third link is doing.

Not just non-scientists. It can encompass other subject-matter experts in a different discipline and with whom you need to collaborate. Anyone outside your specific idiolect.

Specialized terminology reduces the number of citations of scientific papers

Words are the building blocks of communicating science. As our understanding of the world progresses, scientific disciplines naturally enrich their specialized vocabulary (jargon). However, in the era of interdisciplinarity, the use of jargon may hinder effective communication among scientists that do not share a common scientific background. The question of how jargon limits the transmission of scientific knowledge has long been debated but rarely addressed quantitatively. We explored the relationship between the use of jargon and citations, using 21 486 articles focusing on cave research, a multidisciplinary field particularly prone to terminological specialization, and where linguistic disagreement among peers is frequent. We demonstrate a significant negative relationship between the proportion of jargon words in the title and abstract and the number of citations a paper receives. Given that these elements are the hook to readers, we urge scientists to restrict jargon to sections of the paper where its use is unavoidable.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2020.2581

It will probably be for not lying. Some tinpot despot will be apoplectic about the truth being uttered, I suspect.

I may be wrong. Maybe you called a man a woman. And the man is so upright and truthful that he cannot let a lie stand.

Dave said the physicist simulation was ridiculous because the break speed was 80mph, which is humanly impossible. I know as a player at much lesser speeds, where the ram is too hard and the cue is slightly bottom on the white then the ball will fly off the table and cause considerable chaos in a pub.

There's a couple of references to 'Blackpool' by RMW - is this an error by RMW, an error in the transcription, or a correct conflation of 'Blackball Pool'?

I was just going to ask about 'Blackpool'! It's the sort of mis-spoke mistake I would make.

It's certainly not a conflation. That is not a thing.

I don’t see why a post would be deleted for using correct pronouns based on biological sex. Posts up thread have set out the whole Forstater/Grainger test/WORIADS/GC views protected under EA2010 thing so posts shouldn’t be deleted on this basis.