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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Secondary School complaint about mixed sex changing rooms. Update, school response and request for help writing the escalated complaint to governors

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TangenitalContrivance · 05/04/2025 16:56

Hello everyone. Some may remember I asked for help with a complaint to my daughter’s secondary school in Brighton which allows Males into female changing spaces. Including swimming, without informing either children or parents.

this is clearly a safeguarding issue, borderline illegal and must not be allowed to stand.

I’m going to have to take the whole thing through a governors complaint and even higher, which I am willing to do.

please, if you can, could you read my complaint and the schools subsequent response and give me pointers for what to say in my follow up.

feel free to use the original complaint at your own school. You will be surprised how many are doing this!

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TheOtherRaven · 12/04/2025 12:33

Outstanding posts KTS, thank you.

Worth remembering too - all these increased risks and issues for multiple groups of children, the severity of risks, and why was it all changed to this increased risk in the first place?

So that a very small group of children (and the adults behind them) could escape boundaries on their self expression and normalise the removal of privacy, dignity and equality from women and girls.

BonfireLady · 13/04/2025 08:55

WarriorN · 10/04/2025 19:24

These are great points, as are so many other posts.

At the same time, they're not you going to take a blind bit of notice of a parent’s letters, even if lawyer sent, as they truly believe the law is as such and they believe that Labour will be reversing what’s currently in kcsie.

the only way to get any of this done, in that school, and to make changes in schools across the country, is to drag them through the courts and a judicial review.

the beliefs and fake laws that have developed and beloved to be true, thanks to the EA+activists, are really very chilling in the context of child safeguarding and must be dealt with asap.

At the same time, they're not you going to take a blind bit of notice of a parent’s letters, even if lawyer sent, as they truly believe the law is as such and they believe that Labour will be reversing what’s currently in kcsie.

Agreed.

Regarding the KCSIE, I assume we'll see an updated version next month ready to go live in September....?

(Does anyone on this thread know if they release the new versions every May?)

WarriorN · 13/04/2025 10:57

That’s a good point. I’ve not followed releases enough in the past to be aware.

Justme56 · 13/04/2025 11:30

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/13/mum-banned-school-playground-trans-identity-row/

This is in the telegraph today. Different issues but the comments do seem to suggest people are frustrated with it all.

ThisLoftyBrickOP · 14/04/2025 07:54

Women-only spaces to get protection in equality law overhaul mulled by the Government

This could help you OP. There is a more detailed article in the times but it’s behind a paywall, have tried adding a cleaned up link but it didn’t worked.

WarriorN · 14/04/2025 08:05

Well children at school won’t be able to get a grc so that would solve that.

However it’s still problematic beyond this. I could envisage a trans identified teacher with a grc demanding that they oversee the girls’ changing room for the validation and cos “it’s the rulez.”

grcs simply don’t work.

WarriorN · 16/04/2025 07:33

Todays ruling could / should have large implications on your situation op.

TangenitalContrivance · 16/04/2025 10:21

I think I might be referring to the Supreme Court judgement from today, in my follow up complaint letter....

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TangenitalContrivance · 16/04/2025 10:21

This is a shitty lead sentence even from the guardian!

"Critics of equal rights for transgender women have won their supreme court challenge over the definition of a woman."

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2fallsfromSSA · 16/04/2025 10:25

TangenitalContrivance · 16/04/2025 10:21

I think I might be referring to the Supreme Court judgement from today, in my follow up complaint letter....

Absolutely, the timing could not have been better. No longer will schools be able to fudge the meaning of women/girls.

Kucinghitam · 16/04/2025 10:27

TangenitalContrivance · 16/04/2025 10:21

This is a shitty lead sentence even from the guardian!

"Critics of equal rights for transgender women have won their supreme court challenge over the definition of a woman."

They just can’t help themselves!

TangenitalContrivance · 16/04/2025 10:31

2fallsfromSSA · 16/04/2025 10:25

Absolutely, the timing could not have been better. No longer will schools be able to fudge the meaning of women/girls.

I am going to go deep on this - as well as the other great points on this thread. I will absolutely, categorically stop this happening in my children's school and every school that uses the trans toolkit

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2fallsfromSSA · 16/04/2025 10:32

We are happy to help.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 16/04/2025 10:37

2fallsfromSSA · 16/04/2025 10:32

We are happy to help.

Me too! Seriously, the women on here can work wonders (have been involved with the NHS single sex spaces audit, so know whereof I speak!) - let us pull some weight.

TangenitalContrivance · 16/04/2025 10:57

rather ironically I keep being misgendered here so I do want to set the record straight, I am male, the father of two children, one gender questioning. I see this as one small thing I might be able to do to set the world on an even keel - keep males out of female changing spaces in schools

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LlynTegid · 16/04/2025 11:01

TangenitalContrivance · 16/04/2025 10:57

rather ironically I keep being misgendered here so I do want to set the record straight, I am male, the father of two children, one gender questioning. I see this as one small thing I might be able to do to set the world on an even keel - keep males out of female changing spaces in schools

I hope today's court ruling helps you achieve that.

WarriorN · 16/04/2025 11:07

From commentary here and there it’s still clear that there will be confusion and deliberate confusion of the law, despite this case, so we all do still need to keep pushing on this.

moto748e · 16/04/2025 12:02

TangenitalContrivance · 16/04/2025 10:21

This is a shitty lead sentence even from the guardian!

"Critics of equal rights for transgender women have won their supreme court challenge over the definition of a woman."

They've changed the wording already!? 🤔

Keeptoiletssafe · 16/04/2025 12:40

https://supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2024_0042_judgment_aea6c48cee.pdf

@TangenitalContrivance If you click this link and then press the search icon (sorry if I am teaching you to suck eggs) with ‘changing room ’ as the word, it brings up 3 results. Points 211,215,265.

https://supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2024_0042_judgment_aea6c48cee.pdf

moto748e · 16/04/2025 13:14

WarriorN · 16/04/2025 12:09

To this?

Gender critical rights campaigners have won their supreme court challenge over the definition of a woman.

But that's an earlier piece, timed at 5 am this morning, so before the announcement? See they had to get a quote in from Judge Vicky.

AudHvamm · 16/04/2025 13:20

moto748e · 16/04/2025 13:14

But that's an earlier piece, timed at 5 am this morning, so before the announcement? See they had to get a quote in from Judge Vicky.

Yes they have changed it. When I read that piece at 10am it was headlined "Critics of equal rights for transgender women..." And when I checked back around 12 it had been changed. It's linked under the live so even though it's an earlier piece it's still prominent on the homepage.

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