Why do people believe TWAW?

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I’ve been making a list (because I like lists) but also have been trying my hardest to see the other side of the argument, as I think that’s the best way to see if an argument stands up. I have to admit it’s extremely hard to do because after you have peaked, it is very difficult to imagine being unpeaked.

Anyhow, here is my list of reasons people MAY believe TWAW (or indeed TMAM) and feel free to correct or add to it:

Why do people think TWAW?
“Be kind” and “live and let live” mentality
Group think & lack of critical thinking
Brainwashing
Fear of being cancelled/shamed/confronted/assaulted/losing job or career
Lack of knowledge of basic biology, sexual reproduction and DSDs
Ignorance of the physical differences between men and women (height, strength, lung capacity, heart size, arm span, foot and hand size, pelvis shape and function, sex organs, gait, Adam’s apple etc)
Have never met a detrans person or heard their story
Have never seen the harm gender ‘affirming’ surgery has done (botched neovagina, phalloplasty, mastectomy)
Does not know the risks and effects of taking opposite sex hormones on the body long term
Have never been assaulted by a male or a TIM
Have never competed against a male or a TIM in sports
Have never been in prison with a TIM
Internalised homophobia
Feelings of inadequacy as a man
Autism
Over consumption of porn
Inability to admit being wrong
Have facilitated the transing of a child (and therefore almost impossible to admit any harm has been caused)
Trauma or loss (especially of a mother or intimate partner)

I've never met someone in RL who says TWAW who actually believes this, when you question them. What they actually think is that some people have Gender Dysphoria and you should 'be nice' to them. When you ask them if TIM should be in women's prisons, women's refuges or rape crisis services, they say no. They have not thought through the impact on women of TWAW.

Some TWAW people online seem to think being able to believe this makes them cleverer than other people who still believe in old fashioned views that there are two sexes. They also think believing TWAW makes them morally superior to people who are nasty and small minded enough to think women should have single sex services and spaces for areas where sex matters. So these people believe TWAW because they want to feel intellectually and morally superior to the majority of other people. Without having to put in the very hard work and self-sacrifice of actually becoming intellectually and morally superior. So I guess they believe it as they are ambitious yet very lazy.

They don't. They're trying to be "kind", but don't believe it.

I have two acquaintances with trans identified grandchildren.

One tells me that "he's now a girl"; the other tells me that "she's now a boy"...so they clearly don't believe that their grandchildren have literally changed sex.

It is the most educated who believe it (present company excluded!). The ideology is taken as read in university circles. Tech, academia, education, government and media are completely captured.

It's a great example of how supposedly intelligent people are unable to think for themselves. The highly-educated are just as tribal as the uneducated.

There was an excellent example this week in the Telegraph, in an interview with the philosopher AC Grayling. He's supposed to be super-intelligent, but he hasn't begun to grasp the objections to gender ideology. It's fascinating in a way how somebody clever can be so stupid:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/25/a-c-grayling-anti-wokeists/

I also think there's a sub-set of people who have saviour complex and love the idea of themselves as riding to the rescue of a beleaguered minority. TWAW is a convenient belief for some of them, and I think they convince themselves of its truth because it fits their preferred image of themselves. It's another role that can be taken in the immersive role-play of gender identity ideology.

I think that people are actively looking for a 'civil rights' movement to get behind and the trans activists took full advantage of that by positioning them as the 'most vulnerable' in society.

Which is an absolutely ludicrous claim, but one that was swallowed whole by those too lazy to investigate it.

Meanwhile, tackling the issues faced by genuinely vulnerable groups like the long term poor, the disabled is too difficult. Or at least for those looking for an easy pat on the back for their 'good person' credentials.

Ricky Gervais to the audience at the 2022 Oscars: "You're in no position to lecture the public about anything. You know nothing about the real world. Most of you spent less time in school than Greta Thunberg".

X post there with @morningtoncrescent62

And that's one of the reasons why it's so hard to row back on. People want to think of themselves as good people. They get addicted to that sense of righteousness

I'll never get over that moment. Talk about nailing it.

I agree with some of your points.
Don’t understand the autism on your list.

They self-identify as being on The Right Side of History.

They self-identify as Good People.

They self-identify as Especially Kind.

They self-identify as Very Clever so they can understand Super-Complicated Intellectual Concepts with Long Words.

They logically conclude that as their self-identification into being TRSOH, Good People, Especially Kind and Very Clever is, of course, 100% factual about themselves , it must follow that everybody else's self-identifications must also be the truth.

...

Or,

They are high on their own Righteous Farts.

Oh, and they watched something at best half-remembered on a fictional television programme two decades ago.

It's incredible to witness how all this bullshit begins to circulate on TV and social media.

Woman brains, born in the wrong body, sex is a spectrum, we all start female, clownfish.

And people don't actually have sufficient scientific education to call out this bullshit. More concerningly, those with expertise on this stuff in the public eye keep quiet - with some notable exceptions of course.

I used to have a higher trust in the mainstream media until I saw the way they reported on gender identity issues.

I have had discussions with friends who fully trusted the Guardian and some of the left skewed USA media. I pointed out the immense difference in the Guardian reporting on sport with Sean Ingle vs other gender identity issues and they started to understand.

But it is rather discombobulating when you see the very deliberate falsities being reported and how they are worded.

You need to tell her that their DNA and chromosomes remain male and can't be altered. There is a meme/image of Professor Winston stating your sex remains in every single cell of your body.

@thankyounextplease Yes, as if women have no reason to fear mens genitals, especially when vulnerable and in a state of partial undress....

Or not even rape/sexual assault, just to want a safe single sex space free of male genitals for our privacy and dignity.

It's so extraordinary to me that some people think these women's needs don't matter.

At the same time as patting themselves on the back for being a 'good' person.

The dissonance is off the charts

Don't we see it every time someone posts 'I don't mind sharing', usually followed with a pithy 'after all toilet cubicles are for individuals'.

Or 'why do you worry about someone else's genitalia in the next cubicle' or 'they just want to pee'. Or... the classic.... it is 'cis' men who are this issue.

Not a shred of empathy shown for the female people who don't want to share for any reason, or the female people who self exclude because they cannot trust that they will be in the toilets with only other female people. I don't think it even crosses their mind that just because they are 'alright Jack' that they don't get to make the decision on behalf of other female people in their complete lack of empathy with female people.

@StMarie4me There is no such thing as a 'gendered brain'. That's been debunked over and over and over and over. https://theconversation.com/you-dont-have-a-male-or-female-brain-the-more-brains-scientists-study-the-weaker-the-evidence-for-sex-differences-158005

In other words, I hate that people have proven me wrong so I will pretend I have been 'attacked' in order to save face and run away, @StMarie4me .

Here is some more on the debunking of 'gendered brains'.

https://www.theparadoxinstitute.com/read/are-there-sex-differences-in-the-brain

I mean, there is physical differences between male and female brains due to skull shape and volumes and some other differences. BUT those don't change with 'gender identity' at all. It would be ludicrous to suggest that they do.

I find it so extraordinary how some women are (whether it's by conditioning or something innate) so, so empathetic to men while at the same time completely indifferent towards other women.

Cynthia Nixon is a great example of why actors' agents should take their phones off them and restrict them to Terry Wogan type curated interviews when they've got a film to plug. They're on social media all day, giving hot takes on whatever news story they think will earn them social credit points, and proving that often they aren't very bright.

Why do I need to hear Mark Ruffalo's opinion on what's happening in El Salvador? I don't believe that Mark Ruffalo knows where El Salvador is.

But it's useful in a way to have all these celebrities talking about their trans identified kids. Firstly because it shows there's definitely a social contagion element. And also because talking about their kids (very often the adopted kids, I believe) as if they're purse puppies is not the good look they think it is.

The genitals thing really annoys me as well. "You're obsessed with genitals" said to anyone who doesn't want the opposite sex in their single-sex facility or gay dating app or whatever.

While for me, that does include the opposite sex's penis, because I don't want to have to see it against my will (self-exposure is a crime in any other context) and because it can be used for rape - people are not in fact all identical except with slightly different bits attached. I want my single-sex spaces and provisions without men there - everything about them, including their greater physical size and strength, their far far greater propensity to sexually ogle, harass or assault, their greater tendency to aggression and violence, their tendency to be messier and dirtier on average, the fact that their wee smells worse, the fact that they tend to unthinkingly take up more space and put themselves first.

The fact that any man who is there is probably likely to be among the least empathetic and most selfish of men, because they by definition don't care about what women need and think their desires matter more. At best. At worst, there's a greater chance that they are a sex offender, statistically, if they are a TW. That doesn't means ALL TW are sex offenders. But men are a lot more likely to do it than women, and trans-identifying men and a lot more likely to do it than men in general, going by the stats.

I'm also straight - and my innate attraction is to men - the whole man, the body shape, face, voice, stance, everything. As if people's sexual attraction orientation is just about genitals! Of course it's not. Saying that lesbians (for example) don't want males because they're "obsessed with genitals" is so manipulative and reductive. Anyone should be free to reject and exclude the genitals of their choice of course, but also either sex as they choose.

The 'oh you're obsessed with genitals' comeback is trying to make you seem like a pervert for acknowledging the binary nature of sex.

Its a gross, manipulative take, but also a completely transparent one.

It's also pretty homophobic