Why do people believe TWAW?

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I’ve been making a list (because I like lists) but also have been trying my hardest to see the other side of the argument, as I think that’s the best way to see if an argument stands up. I have to admit it’s extremely hard to do because after you have peaked, it is very difficult to imagine being unpeaked.

Anyhow, here is my list of reasons people MAY believe TWAW (or indeed TMAM) and feel free to correct or add to it:

Why do people think TWAW?
“Be kind” and “live and let live” mentality
Group think & lack of critical thinking
Brainwashing
Fear of being cancelled/shamed/confronted/assaulted/losing job or career
Lack of knowledge of basic biology, sexual reproduction and DSDs
Ignorance of the physical differences between men and women (height, strength, lung capacity, heart size, arm span, foot and hand size, pelvis shape and function, sex organs, gait, Adam’s apple etc)
Have never met a detrans person or heard their story
Have never seen the harm gender ‘affirming’ surgery has done (botched neovagina, phalloplasty, mastectomy)
Does not know the risks and effects of taking opposite sex hormones on the body long term
Have never been assaulted by a male or a TIM
Have never competed against a male or a TIM in sports
Have never been in prison with a TIM
Internalised homophobia
Feelings of inadequacy as a man
Autism
Over consumption of porn
Inability to admit being wrong
Have facilitated the transing of a child (and therefore almost impossible to admit any harm has been caused)
Trauma or loss (especially of a mother or intimate partner)

No one REALLY believes TWAW.

No one believes that or they wouldn't let the transwomen dictate everything. They all know that the transwomen are men. The right to humiliate women, take women's trophies and prices, and make women uncomfortable they have got because they are men and everyone knows it

Is he intelligent? I don't think he says one interesting, much less surprising, thing in that interview.

Genuine intelligence is rare I think. Lots of people are articulate and 'well educated' - not necessarily intelligent.

In Grayling's case however, it may be pure laziness. He clearly hasn't given this issue a moments proper thought.

He spoke about quite a few things in the interview though, all were about the same level of introspection.

But it might be he's in too much of a bubble to have new ideas penetrate. Universities really have become a place you send your kids to be indoctrinated.

It's absolutely shocking what's happened to universities.

The Pimlico Plumber guy, Charlie Mullins, said this week that none of his 4 kids went to uni. "They're too clever for uni" he said!

This is a really disappointing reply (the TWAW poster, I mean) because they won’t even debate the issue. People only shut down debates when they don’t believe they can truly argue their point.

Wouldn’t it be better to explain your position (realise I’m talking into a void here)?

Maybe don't use communal changing rooms or saunas if that's your issue.

There are plenty of men who fear other men's genitals and yet they somehow manage to whip their dicks out in front of them to pee.

Would be quite happy for my kids to give uni a miss.
No point getting into debt to be indoctrinated. Better to earn money and be free thinking.

Yes, just give up. Why should women have a right to swim, play sport, go to a spa, leave the house...?

Autism and transgenderism are closely linked. A lot of people with gender dysphoria are autistic.

Why should women self exclude from their single sex spaces to accommodate men?

The old ‘why are you so obsessed with other peoples genitals’ deflection, said by those who have absolutely no interest in women having the right to say no to men invading our spaces. I wonder why that would be?

So you're advocating for women to self exclude because men demand access to their spaces?

Does that not strike you as misogynistic as it gets?

@thankyounextplease is either completely devoid of empathy and is unable to imagine or comprehend how some women feel, or is a man. It’s a conundrum 🤔

Well. That is a new one!

Women and girls! You should get over your concern at having to be in any place you expect to be single sex, especially if in a state of undress, because plenty of male people are afraid of other men but manage to use the urinal!

Gosh eh! Imagine that! Someone telling us that other male people who are worried about their safety use the male single sex spaces, but seem to miss the relevance of their very own point. If those male people
can still use male single sex spaces, why can’t those who have the philosophical belief that they are female people when they materially are not female people?

Why are they not just as safe as the other male people who ”somehow manage to whip their dicks out in front of them to pee” and those who no longer have their ‘dicks’ due to disease and injury who use the cubicles in the male single sex spaces as well?

This poster seems rather obsessed with mentioning genitals...

I have had conversations with people who believe that if you have a penis you are a man and if you have a vagina you are a woman. Therefore in their logic if you have your penis cut off and a vagina created by a surgeon then you have changed from being a man to being a woman.

For women, being able to ignore the reality of sex differences and the risks posed by men invading women's spaces is a situation that requires a massive amount of social support, but first-world younger people in particular have grown up with that support and think it's just the way life is.
For example: Ready access to contraception. Legal abortion. Social acceptance of unmarried motherhood. Social support for single mothers. Free or affordable maternity healthcare, in fact any kind of modern healthcare at all. The right to an education and to work, so that you can support yourself and a child long term.

Even with all that support in place, a violent or deceitful sexual encounter can be devastating. Some women can make that imaginative leap without having it happen to them personally, some don't seem able or willing to.

Men, of course, don't have to worry about any of that. Nobody can get them pregnant, no matter what kind of society they live in. And too many societies don't hold them to account when they get a woman pregnant.
Again, some men are capable of imaginative empathy, and some are not.

Agree. It’s nothing but virtue signaling.

Wow. You really think it's comparable to compare men 'fearing' other men, to vulnerable women and girls?

My thoughts exactly. If people really believed that TWAW, they wouldn't have gained so much power. They'd have been silenced, ridiculed and ignored as women often are.
The only reason they are where they are is precisely because they are men. And everyone knows it

So you’ve decided unilaterally that there’s no requirement for doctors, engineers, scientists, mathematicians, geologists, linguists, physicists … you’ve swallowed the line of ‘universities indoctrinate’ so you’ll deny your children the chance of higher education? Maybe you should look into it a bit more.

Do they really fear their genitals? Really? Where did you get that stat?

Or is it just because they are men and humans since the beginning of time have been able to correctly sex a human without checking their genitalia?

Still fail to see why that’s an argument to let men in women’s spaces or to self exclude but the genitalia obsession continues I see 🙄.