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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

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IwantToRetire · 25/03/2025 22:38

The Trump administration is planning to freeze tens of millions of dollars in federal grants to organizations providing family planning and other reproductive health services, as it reviews whether the funds violate the president’s order to cease all government-backed diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) work.

A Health and Human Services spokesperson told The Wall Street Journal, which reported on the plan, that the department was reviewing grants to make sure they complied with the crackdown on DEI.

The freeze to the Title X program could impact as much as $120 million worth of grants to a network of roughly 4,000 clinics providing free and discounted pregnancy testing, contraception, sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing and treatment, and evaluations and testing for infertility.

Planned Parenthood, whose affiliates could lose roughly $20 million if the paused grants are ultimately cut, reacted with alarm.

“The Trump-Vance-Musk administration wants to shut down Planned Parenthood health centers by any means necessary, and they’ll end people’s access to birth control, cancer screenings, STI testing and treatment, and more to do it,” Planned Parenthood Federation of America CEO Alex McGill Johnson told the newspaper.

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

Change could impact thousands of clinics providing contraception and sexually transmitted infection testing

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

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Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:36

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 27/03/2025 20:35

At no time did i say that people haven’t been called bots etc

i just dispute the ‘anyone who has posted on this thread advocating women's rights as a key priority’

virtually all the women on here are advocating womens rights as a key priority

Not when they're actually advocating restricting their access to women's reproductive healthcare they aren't.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 27/03/2025 20:37

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:21

Except the ones happy to see women's reproductive rights rolled back by applying further limitations on women accessing abortion. Have you read the thread? Apparently advocating for a woman's right to choose as a decision she makes herself without a legislator deciding what she is allowed is authoritarian against those don't want a woman to be able to choose.

Have you read my post?

i said that all women are advocating womens rights as a priority…they just disagree on the priority part

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 27/03/2025 20:37

Not when they're actually advocating restricting their access to women's reproductive healthcare they aren't

good lord…virtually all does not mean all…

BettyBooper · 27/03/2025 20:38

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:31

From a religious right wing party, this is such a ridiculous question it requires the complete change of reality that trump and the republicans have abandoned their whole political and religious agenda and done the biggest u-turn in history. If so, yeah I would. That's not the same as supporting him cutting family planning funding in the real world context of his party's overall agenda to ban abortion and restrict women's access to family planning. Is it possible to go back to talking about the real world instead of fantasy now?

You don't think Trump is capable of a u-turn?

So you would support a policy that is inline with your thinking.

A bit like women on here agreeing on his EO on women in sports.

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:39

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 27/03/2025 20:37

Have you read my post?

i said that all women are advocating womens rights as a priority…they just disagree on the priority part

So you're agreeing that women's reproductive rights have less of a priority than what exactly?

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 27/03/2025 20:40

You have comprehension issues…

where have i said that?

BettyBooper · 27/03/2025 20:40

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Again, I think you're arguing with the wrong crowd.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 27/03/2025 20:40

Maybe this will help

if i say some poster say ABC

it does not mean that i personally think ABC

otherwise i would say …i think ABC

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:41

BettyBooper · 27/03/2025 20:38

You don't think Trump is capable of a u-turn?

So you would support a policy that is inline with your thinking.

A bit like women on here agreeing on his EO on women in sports.

It's not about a singular policy being online with my thinking it's about their whole agenda. If you think that caring about who women compete against in sport is more important than woman having reproductive freedom and you're willing to sacrifice that by supporting an agenda that will overall harm women, then your concern about women's sport is not be coming from a place of protecting women.

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:43

BettyBooper · 27/03/2025 20:40

Again, I think you're arguing with the wrong crowd.

Huh? Firstly I'm.not arguing, I'm discussing. And I was discussing with posters who made that exact argument. Who is this "wrong crowd"?

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:44

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 27/03/2025 20:40

You have comprehension issues…

where have i said that?

i said that all women are advocating womens rights as a priority…they just disagree on the priority part

Perhaps you could clarify what this meant then...

BettyBooper · 27/03/2025 20:46

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:41

It's not about a singular policy being online with my thinking it's about their whole agenda. If you think that caring about who women compete against in sport is more important than woman having reproductive freedom and you're willing to sacrifice that by supporting an agenda that will overall harm women, then your concern about women's sport is not be coming from a place of protecting women.

You miss my point completely and it is illustrative of how you are viewing women posting here. I don't think that at all. Again, you are arguing with the wrong people.

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:49

BettyBooper · 27/03/2025 20:46

You miss my point completely and it is illustrative of how you are viewing women posting here. I don't think that at all. Again, you are arguing with the wrong people.

What do you think then? You've posted on this thread making no comment on the OP, only to argue about I "view women posting here" when I'm simply taking their posts at face value of what they said. They were supportive of PP being cut and women's abortion access being a legislative issue subject to people's moral feelings on abortion. I disagree with that. What do you think? Are you supportive of PP funding being cut and the effect that has on women's reproductive healthcare access? Do you agree or disagree with the right wing aim of reducing abortion rights?

Edited to add: why are you yet another poster taking posts as a personal attack? Since you hadn't posted here yet why would any of my posts been aimed at you and saying what you think? We already had PP do that up thread. Perhaps you agree with a previous poster and therefore are taking my criticism of their argument personally, but I'm not a mind reader of what your position is.

withthegreatestrespect · 27/03/2025 20:55

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:49

What do you think then? You've posted on this thread making no comment on the OP, only to argue about I "view women posting here" when I'm simply taking their posts at face value of what they said. They were supportive of PP being cut and women's abortion access being a legislative issue subject to people's moral feelings on abortion. I disagree with that. What do you think? Are you supportive of PP funding being cut and the effect that has on women's reproductive healthcare access? Do you agree or disagree with the right wing aim of reducing abortion rights?

Edited to add: why are you yet another poster taking posts as a personal attack? Since you hadn't posted here yet why would any of my posts been aimed at you and saying what you think? We already had PP do that up thread. Perhaps you agree with a previous poster and therefore are taking my criticism of their argument personally, but I'm not a mind reader of what your position is.

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Still waiting for you to tell us whether you agree that men can simply identify as women and then access all the rights that women have painstakingly fought for.

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:56

withthegreatestrespect · 27/03/2025 20:55

Still waiting for you to tell us whether you agree that men can simply identify as women and then access all the rights that women have painstakingly fought for.

I don't, I'm just not willing to sell womens reproductive freedom down the river because Trump claims to care when he doesn't.

withthegreatestrespect · 27/03/2025 21:05

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:56

I don't, I'm just not willing to sell womens reproductive freedom down the river because Trump claims to care when he doesn't.

And you think all the women on here are selling reproductive freedom down the river?

BettyBooper · 27/03/2025 21:15

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:49

What do you think then? You've posted on this thread making no comment on the OP, only to argue about I "view women posting here" when I'm simply taking their posts at face value of what they said. They were supportive of PP being cut and women's abortion access being a legislative issue subject to people's moral feelings on abortion. I disagree with that. What do you think? Are you supportive of PP funding being cut and the effect that has on women's reproductive healthcare access? Do you agree or disagree with the right wing aim of reducing abortion rights?

Edited to add: why are you yet another poster taking posts as a personal attack? Since you hadn't posted here yet why would any of my posts been aimed at you and saying what you think? We already had PP do that up thread. Perhaps you agree with a previous poster and therefore are taking my criticism of their argument personally, but I'm not a mind reader of what your position is.

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The funding being cut does not affect abortion.
I do not take your posts as a personal attack.
I think that women exploring the issue is positive.
I don't think that just because Trump exports a position all feminists must automatically take the opposite view and that if they don't they are a 'Trump supporter'.

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 21:19

withthegreatestrespect · 27/03/2025 21:05

And you think all the women on here are selling reproductive freedom down the river?

I never said all, I said posters cheering on PP cuts and closures and legislative restriction on abortion access are.

As I said before, it's a shame that this thread has been very quiet with posters advocating for women's reproductive freedom. Those who have are accused of being TRAs, bots, smearing women etc.

If people disagree with the notion that there are posters on FWR who are supportive of an agenda overall that eventually harms women, that there aren't more posters here critiquing these cuts and pushing back on posters claims that reducing access to abortion can be feminist. It's a bit noticeable that some posters are very active on FWR threads that focus more on trans infringements of women's rights and threads about other harms to women particularly on attacks by the right and issues as key as cutting reproductive healthcare get less traction.

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 21:22

BettyBooper · 27/03/2025 21:15

The funding being cut does not affect abortion.
I do not take your posts as a personal attack.
I think that women exploring the issue is positive.
I don't think that just because Trump exports a position all feminists must automatically take the opposite view and that if they don't they are a 'Trump supporter'.

But it affects family planning and posters were supportive of that and the notion PP should be scrapped entirely. Do you agree with that?

It's not about being a Trump supporter. Trump is just the new face heading a decades old right wing patrichal agenda. If feminists don't take the opposite view of the patriarchy, what exactly makes their position feminist? Especially when the policies they're advocating are identical to that agenda?

withthegreatestrespect · 27/03/2025 21:27

It's a bit noticeable that some posters are very active on FWR threads that focus more on trans infringements of women's rights
Are you active on those threads @Kankangeroo ? If not, why not?

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 21:32

withthegreatestrespect · 27/03/2025 21:27

It's a bit noticeable that some posters are very active on FWR threads that focus more on trans infringements of women's rights
Are you active on those threads @Kankangeroo ? If not, why not?

Yes I am but given the increase in calling people TRAs etc if they post anything critical of the right wings agenda when it comes to the trans issue, I have name changed for this. Seen as I've been called a smearer, a bot, a troll, my instinct was right.

Now did you actually have any further opinion on these cuts and the right wing agenda or do you still just have an issue with me posting mine?

AlisonDonut · 27/03/2025 21:33

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 21:19

I never said all, I said posters cheering on PP cuts and closures and legislative restriction on abortion access are.

As I said before, it's a shame that this thread has been very quiet with posters advocating for women's reproductive freedom. Those who have are accused of being TRAs, bots, smearing women etc.

If people disagree with the notion that there are posters on FWR who are supportive of an agenda overall that eventually harms women, that there aren't more posters here critiquing these cuts and pushing back on posters claims that reducing access to abortion can be feminist. It's a bit noticeable that some posters are very active on FWR threads that focus more on trans infringements of women's rights and threads about other harms to women particularly on attacks by the right and issues as key as cutting reproductive healthcare get less traction.

Well, yes, that is what this board was created for. To hive off discussions based on sex and gender.

Maybe you need a different board to chit chat on?

And the cuts can't affect abortion as no federal funds go towards abortion.

We've already been through all this.

TempestTost · 27/03/2025 21:39

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 18:43

It's not my own framing, it's a principal of feminism. Those women can have all those thoughts they wish as it pertains to their own bodies and pregnancies and if they perceive a foetus as an "child" . If they support restricting another woman's access to abortion because of those opinions, that is not feminist, it just isn't. Your own personal morality towards a foetus isn't everyone's, and arguing it should be legislated and applied to women and therefore restrict their bodily autonomy is no different to patriarchal control over women's bodies. You can say the word feminist all you like - it doesn't make it feminist. Which is why if you hold such a viewpoint of disregarding the right to bodily autonomy, you aren't coming from a place of supporting women's rights. You're coming from a place of wanting legislation to uphold your own moral viewpoint, one that interestingly happens to be the same as the religious right 🤔

You are not understanding.

Feminism is not one hard set of policy positions. Feminists have many different viewpoints in many different topics, and even where they agree on a general point they may have widely differing views of how to deal with the issue politically.

And every feminist will also have views on how feminism interacts with other goods for other people, and society, and nature, because they all have their place and interests as well.

You don't get to define what policies define feminism, which has a huge and varied discourse internally and externally.

I'd also point out that defining "reproductive rights" according to your own view of what they entail, in a discussion of what reproductive rights might entail, is begging the question.

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 21:42

AlisonDonut · 27/03/2025 21:33

Well, yes, that is what this board was created for. To hive off discussions based on sex and gender.

Maybe you need a different board to chit chat on?

And the cuts can't affect abortion as no federal funds go towards abortion.

We've already been through all this.

From a feminist and women's right perspective though, not as part of a right wing agenda. I remember the days on this board inundated with accusations that just because some on the right also happened to hold one similar viewpoint didn't mean we were right wing. It's weird to see so many posters who used to agree on that now claiming to hold other values matching the right as far as their agenda for women. Abortion is a sex based rights issue. The fact you think I should go and "chit chat" about it somewhere else is very telling particularly on a thread where you've made it pretty clear you agree with restricting abortion and even parroted off the age old anti choice propaganda about how it's actually for women's own good.

borntobequiet · 27/03/2025 21:43

The discussion around abortion always has to be nuanced, because there is a second life to consider, as pretty much all women are aware. (Abortion is very convenient for men, who don’t have to bear the tedious consequences of their sexual gratification, and I remember some being pleased at that in 1968, when it was made legal here.)
Reproductive rights are about more than abortion, and I say that even though I’m so pro-choice that I’ve had two.