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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

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IwantToRetire · 25/03/2025 22:38

The Trump administration is planning to freeze tens of millions of dollars in federal grants to organizations providing family planning and other reproductive health services, as it reviews whether the funds violate the president’s order to cease all government-backed diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) work.

A Health and Human Services spokesperson told The Wall Street Journal, which reported on the plan, that the department was reviewing grants to make sure they complied with the crackdown on DEI.

The freeze to the Title X program could impact as much as $120 million worth of grants to a network of roughly 4,000 clinics providing free and discounted pregnancy testing, contraception, sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing and treatment, and evaluations and testing for infertility.

Planned Parenthood, whose affiliates could lose roughly $20 million if the paused grants are ultimately cut, reacted with alarm.

“The Trump-Vance-Musk administration wants to shut down Planned Parenthood health centers by any means necessary, and they’ll end people’s access to birth control, cancer screenings, STI testing and treatment, and more to do it,” Planned Parenthood Federation of America CEO Alex McGill Johnson told the newspaper.

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

Change could impact thousands of clinics providing contraception and sexually transmitted infection testing

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

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TempestTost · 27/03/2025 10:07

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 23:14

It's not about agreeing with me or not. It's about access to abortion as a feminist principal. Agree with it being allocated to a state level when some states are affectively rolling that back completely if you want, but you're supporting states being able to enact their anti women agenda.

In very large countries like the US I think it can be more appropriate for important issues to be dealt with at that level and allows citizens more direct influence on policy and law where they live.I also never thought Roe vs Wade was a very good ruling, legally, and I am not all that keen on courts taking on what should be therole of legislators anyway.

See I don't think there a feminist argument to be made for supporting citizens being more able to influence law and policy to restrict abortion, likewise legislators. It's depressing that feminist gains on abortion were only marginal, protecting it in principal but still not achieving in removing the state from our own private medical decisions about our pregnancies and trusting women to make that decision for themselves, and yet people are happy to roll it back further.

I think democratic representation is important. Authoritarianism isn't ok just because it happens to be imposing views that someone thinks are feminist, or anti-racist, or anything else.

All political ideas are mediated, even access to abortion as a feminist issue isn't some self-evident principle. Even within feminism, there are, despite what some feminists would like to think, feminists who do not think abortion access is an important feminist principle. And there are actually quite a lot of women, including ones who consider themselves feminists, who don't think that abortion rights should be completely unconstrained. That's not actually a majority position at all - so why should people that think that way get to tell everyone else what is right?

This is the kind of thing that gets the left into trouble again and again and why leftist regimes can be so horrifically authoritarian.

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/03/2025 13:05

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 22:59

Start anywhere you like, but just start.

Because there is no explanation that Mumsnet FWR have for their wholesale failure to and sell out of women.

All they have in their repertoire, the only thing they have to pull out of their party bag, is the demonisation of trans people.

Which Trump and his ilk gladly seize upon to bolster and legitimize their devastation of women's rights.

Talk about handmaidens eh.

I fear you're right.😟

ArabellaScott · 27/03/2025 13:14

See, before Labour got in there were loads of threads berating women on here for endangering the glorious left utopia Keir Starmer is now gracing us with.

Now we're getting threads berating us for the US presidency, an election women on here have nothing to do with, didn't participate in, and don't influence.

A cynic might think the scolding threads berating us for both UK and US political outcomes are actually mostly created in order to berate us, malign, smear and defame.

It's not like we see these posters talking about how to help US women access abortion, is it? No, just here to throw mud at UK women.

One might suggest there are more productive ways to fight for US women, but hey ho.

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/03/2025 13:25

ArabellaScott · 27/03/2025 13:14

See, before Labour got in there were loads of threads berating women on here for endangering the glorious left utopia Keir Starmer is now gracing us with.

Now we're getting threads berating us for the US presidency, an election women on here have nothing to do with, didn't participate in, and don't influence.

A cynic might think the scolding threads berating us for both UK and US political outcomes are actually mostly created in order to berate us, malign, smear and defame.

It's not like we see these posters talking about how to help US women access abortion, is it? No, just here to throw mud at UK women.

One might suggest there are more productive ways to fight for US women, but hey ho.

The Republican Party is responsible for Trump.
The Maga cult are responsible for Trump.
Trump voters are responsible for Trump.
Trump is responsible for Trump.
Putin is responsible for Trump.

Not me. Not you. Not any British woman who didnt campaign or vote for him.. But some here can't bear criticism of him and his misogynist policies. They can't defend the indefensible so they cast around looking others to blame.

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 15:51

TempestTost · 27/03/2025 10:07

I think democratic representation is important. Authoritarianism isn't ok just because it happens to be imposing views that someone thinks are feminist, or anti-racist, or anything else.

All political ideas are mediated, even access to abortion as a feminist issue isn't some self-evident principle. Even within feminism, there are, despite what some feminists would like to think, feminists who do not think abortion access is an important feminist principle. And there are actually quite a lot of women, including ones who consider themselves feminists, who don't think that abortion rights should be completely unconstrained. That's not actually a majority position at all - so why should people that think that way get to tell everyone else what is right?

This is the kind of thing that gets the left into trouble again and again and why leftist regimes can be so horrifically authoritarian.

Access to abortion is the opposite of authoritarianism. Access to abortion doesn't force anyone to have an abortion. Restriction others access to abortion because you personally don't agree with Iot, is. Coopting feminist language to support a patriarchal ideal of restricting women's reproductive freedoms doesn't make it feminist.

withthegreatestrespect · 27/03/2025 16:05

@Kankangeroo @TooBigForMyBoots
Crikey, are you two still here? What is it that you want from UK women on this site? Can you explain it simply for ordinary women like me, not steeped in feminist or political theory?

ArabellaScott · 27/03/2025 16:06

Fuck me, nobody on this thread is restricting women's access to abortion.

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 16:06

withthegreatestrespect · 26/03/2025 23:26

But I also think that to protect women's rights we can't get into bed with people with people that have a right wing patrichal agenda and that it needs to be called out when it's obvious.

I suspect this is the fault line that is causing some of the tensions in this thread. It is not just women's rights for many of us. It is child safeguarding too. I will take a child safeguarding win wherever I see it.

Well at least you're honest. You'll take a 'win' at the expense of women's rights even when it's enacted by a right wing patrichal agenda coming from women, which is exactly what posters were saying is dangerous on the long term.

ArabellaScott · 27/03/2025 16:08

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 16:06

Well at least you're honest. You'll take a 'win' at the expense of women's rights even when it's enacted by a right wing patrichal agenda coming from women, which is exactly what posters were saying is dangerous on the long term.

What do you mean 'take'? What is it you think we should do? I agree with the pp, please spell this out

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 16:08

withthegreatestrespect · 27/03/2025 16:05

@Kankangeroo @TooBigForMyBoots
Crikey, are you two still here? What is it that you want from UK women on this site? Can you explain it simply for ordinary women like me, not steeped in feminist or political theory?

It's not really a big ask of a feminists board to not cheer on the right wing attack to abortion access as a win. No one's blaming anyone here for what they do, but if you celebrate it it's certainly a reasonable feminist discourse to ask wtf you're thinking.

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/03/2025 16:08

withthegreatestrespect · 27/03/2025 16:05

@Kankangeroo @TooBigForMyBoots
Crikey, are you two still here? What is it that you want from UK women on this site? Can you explain it simply for ordinary women like me, not steeped in feminist or political theory?

I can't speak for @Kankangeroo, but I'm here discussing stuff like you are. MNet is a discussion site after all.😆

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 16:08

ArabellaScott · 27/03/2025 16:08

What do you mean 'take'? What is it you think we should do? I agree with the pp, please spell this out

It's the posters wording...she'll take this a win

ArabellaScott · 27/03/2025 16:09

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 16:08

It's the posters wording...she'll take this a win

Take WHAT as a win?!

AlisonDonut · 27/03/2025 16:10

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 16:08

It's not really a big ask of a feminists board to not cheer on the right wing attack to abortion access as a win. No one's blaming anyone here for what they do, but if you celebrate it it's certainly a reasonable feminist discourse to ask wtf you're thinking.

Go tell that to the Democrats who could at any point have made rules around abortion that were sensible and doable.

They've had numerous opportunities and yet, have never done anything about it - because having women vote for them just in case they do - is a carrot that they have dangled for decades.

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 16:11

ArabellaScott · 27/03/2025 16:06

Fuck me, nobody on this thread is restricting women's access to abortion.

No one said you were. Again you seem incessant with this mindset you're being blamed in a way that's starting to sound like your projecting. Saying "actually this isn't good for women, feminists should be cautious of this agenda" when posters are cheering on PP to scrapped and demonising them with similar rhetoric to antichoicers isn't saying you personally are restricting access. Unless of course you go on to support said political agenda to be enacted.

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 16:12

ArabellaScott · 27/03/2025 16:09

Take WHAT as a win?!

Read the quote FFS, her post is right there. It's her own words, I understood what she saidm if you didn't, maybe you can reply and ask her to reword it for you.

ArabellaScott · 27/03/2025 16:12

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 16:12

Read the quote FFS, her post is right there. It's her own words, I understood what she saidm if you didn't, maybe you can reply and ask her to reword it for you.

Child safeguarding?

withthegreatestrespect · 27/03/2025 16:15

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 16:06

Well at least you're honest. You'll take a 'win' at the expense of women's rights even when it's enacted by a right wing patrichal agenda coming from women, which is exactly what posters were saying is dangerous on the long term.

Massive projection here.

withthegreatestrespect · 27/03/2025 16:16

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 16:08

It's not really a big ask of a feminists board to not cheer on the right wing attack to abortion access as a win. No one's blaming anyone here for what they do, but if you celebrate it it's certainly a reasonable feminist discourse to ask wtf you're thinking.

Away with you and your 'feminist discourse' bollocks. Explain what you want clearly, if you can

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 16:19

AlisonDonut · 27/03/2025 16:10

Go tell that to the Democrats who could at any point have made rules around abortion that were sensible and doable.

They've had numerous opportunities and yet, have never done anything about it - because having women vote for them just in case they do - is a carrot that they have dangled for decades.

Go tell that to the Democrats who could at any point have made rules around abortion that were sensible and doable.

Such as? Are you saying you're in favour of calls for the democrats to expanding beyond Roe v Wade right to an abortion? If so, it's more confusing why you're blaming the democrats for the rights revoking it.

withthegreatestrespect · 27/03/2025 16:19

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/03/2025 16:08

I can't speak for @Kankangeroo, but I'm here discussing stuff like you are. MNet is a discussion site after all.😆

But you are not discussing. You are just banging on and on how we are all doing feminism wrong.

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 16:20

withthegreatestrespect · 27/03/2025 16:16

Away with you and your 'feminist discourse' bollocks. Explain what you want clearly, if you can

If you think discourse is a big word maybe debating complex issues and ideas isn't for you

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/03/2025 16:22

No I'm not @withthegreatestrespect. I'm criticising Trump and his administration's policies on a thread titled Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs.

withthegreatestrespect · 27/03/2025 16:24

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 16:20

If you think discourse is a big word maybe debating complex issues and ideas isn't for you

Ah yes. Here we go. I'm too thick for you and your fancy words. Too thick to understand why some men are are actually women. Love a duck I wish I'd had a fancy educashun