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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Review "Six Conversations we're Scared to have"

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Igneococcus · 23/03/2025 07:14

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In Six Conversations We’re Scared to Have, the comedian Deborah Frances-White says we need to tackle difficult subjects. So why the same old lazy talking points?

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ArabellaScott · 01/05/2025 09:14

sandgreen · 01/05/2025 09:13

That was absolutely hilarious, to be honest. I burst out laughing on the bus!

Had the driver just thrown a custard pie?

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 01/05/2025 09:15

What are F and K’s faces like, when she says that??

ArabellaScott · 01/05/2025 09:16

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 01/05/2025 09:15

What are F and K’s faces like, when she says that??

Politely pained.

ArabellaScott · 01/05/2025 09:18

Thus.

Review "Six Conversations we're Scared to have"
Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/05/2025 09:51

Deborah Frances White boarded the Clown Bus a long time ago.

Helleofabore · 01/05/2025 09:54

I am at 32.30 and she has dropped into the condescension hole. Does she actually think she is an intellectual?

LassoOfTruth · 01/05/2025 12:28

My fave bit so far (of the Triggernometry episode) is when she says they just aren’t coping because she’s presenting arguments they’ve never heard before, right after waffling her way through every tired nonsense argument or whataboutery you’ve heard “progressives” say for ten years.

ArabellaScott · 01/05/2025 12:35

We need to apply the Stock test and ask if she is perhaps just a bit thick.

LonginesPrime · 01/05/2025 12:51

Helleofabore · 01/05/2025 09:08

I am gonna watch it now just to see the part about bus driver clowns!!

It’s such an incredibly unfortunate analogy - to use clowns vs everyday people as an analogy for trans vs non-trans people - that it did cross my mind that she might be trolling.

Either that or it was a genuinely subconscious association and she just has a lot of internalised transphobia…

LonginesPrime · 01/05/2025 13:01

She reminds me of Nicola Murray (fictional govt minister) in The Thick of It in the radio interview - the similarity in the way she constantly points out his tone and won’t let it go, but tries to pretend she’s joking when she’s not is uncanny.

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sandgreen · 01/05/2025 13:02

😂 Arabella I didn’t realise what I’d said there!

The bit when Konstantin equated her bus driving clowns to people walking around naked and she got in a strop was the funniest thing I’ve heard in ages.

Helleofabore · 01/05/2025 13:28

LassoOfTruth · 01/05/2025 12:28

My fave bit so far (of the Triggernometry episode) is when she says they just aren’t coping because she’s presenting arguments they’ve never heard before, right after waffling her way through every tired nonsense argument or whataboutery you’ve heard “progressives” say for ten years.

I am amazed that they didn't correct her. Maybe they were in too much shock and incredulity.

Helleofabore · 01/05/2025 13:31

LonginesPrime · 01/05/2025 12:51

It’s such an incredibly unfortunate analogy - to use clowns vs everyday people as an analogy for trans vs non-trans people - that it did cross my mind that she might be trolling.

Either that or it was a genuinely subconscious association and she just has a lot of internalised transphobia…

yes....

Considering she then did some performative reacting at KK's question which actually was not worded in any judgement at all about how some countries of the world successfully invaded other countries. It really was an enlightening interview.

But I doubt it was in the way she wanted it to be. Still, she was playing to her own audience.

LassoOfTruth · 01/05/2025 13:37

ArabellaScott · 01/05/2025 12:35

We need to apply the Stock test and ask if she is perhaps just a bit thick.

Quite. Also I suspect her version of “research” involves googling stuff, Wikipedia, social media echo chambers, talking to her friends at London dinner parties, and not much else.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/05/2025 13:59

sandgreen · 01/05/2025 13:02

😂 Arabella I didn’t realise what I’d said there!

The bit when Konstantin equated her bus driving clowns to people walking around naked and she got in a strop was the funniest thing I’ve heard in ages.

You’re making me have to watch it now 😂

Lottapianos · 01/05/2025 15:00

I'm 15 minutes in and honestly, it's truly batshit. She's so out of her depth, and waffling total shite like her life depends on it. In an extended waffle about orphans, she's just said 'you can't argue with biology' - to quote JKR, my irony meter just blew up 🤦🏻‍♂️

I'm not sure I can take another 2 hours of this

SionnachRuadh · 01/05/2025 15:18

I'm taking it in bite sized chunks. Lord knows, Konstantin and Francis don't always get it, but she's really in Bart Simpson book report territory.

There might even be a point when I stop laughing at her and start feeling sorry for her.

Igneococcus · 01/05/2025 15:24

I started but I don't think I can do it.
Next to the dictionary entry for "Fremdschämen" there should be a link to this episode, it's the perfect example.

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ArabellaScott · 01/05/2025 15:48

Igneococcus · 01/05/2025 15:24

I started but I don't think I can do it.
Next to the dictionary entry for "Fremdschämen" there should be a link to this episode, it's the perfect example.

Ah, you're tempting me, damnit!

I need to get to the naked people strop bit, now.

Igneococcus · 01/05/2025 15:58

It really is every bit as terrible as people say, you have been warned.

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ArabellaScott · 01/05/2025 16:05

'There's a whole bunch of semiotics that go with nudity that don't go with clown costumes'

Semiotics? That word. It does not mean what you think it means, Deborah.

ArabellaScott · 01/05/2025 16:13

Okay. It's not just that she's stupid. It's that she's so stupid, her brain has become addled to the point that she thinks that other people who disagree with her bollocks are even more stupid than she is.

She is suggesting that we just haven't got used to men becoming women yet.

Astonishing how far making confident assertions can get you.

ArabellaScott · 01/05/2025 16:21

I've got a bit further, to where she's talking about her personal history, and I am just going to say this woman seems to be quite damaged, and confused.

She's not someone who is in a position to inform or educate others.

WhatterySquash · 01/05/2025 16:29

ArabellaScott · 01/05/2025 16:13

Okay. It's not just that she's stupid. It's that she's so stupid, her brain has become addled to the point that she thinks that other people who disagree with her bollocks are even more stupid than she is.

She is suggesting that we just haven't got used to men becoming women yet.

Astonishing how far making confident assertions can get you.

I haven't watched it, but might later. But I though this was interesting about stupidity and trying to defend gender ideology. People like this are trying to make a reasoned argument for something that makes no sense and that there is no evidence for – the powerful push that is making them say it is feeling like it's what they're supposed to think to not be a bad person - and that's it.

So in an effort to come across as reasonable/make it make sense. you see people coming up with flabbergastingly ridiculous shite, like the one mentioned on the Zoe Williams thread about "women and men's sports were only segregated because women always won", along with "because clownfish" etc. It sounds like Deborah has come up with some new angles.

And yes as a big part of this is about feeling superior, it's very appealing to these types to think there is some amazing esoteric gender scientific proof that is not understood by your common or garden bigot, and surpasses normal people's understanding of biology. Of course they don't understand this themselves (as there is no such proof) but making out that other people are too dim to get it is a handy get-out. Yet it makes them look more stupid, not less.

I wonder what goes through people's heads as they spout obvious complete and utter bobbins in service of The Cause, do they ever think "shit I'm out of my depth" or does the glow of moral righteousness obliterate such worries?

Lottapianos · 01/05/2025 16:46

'I wonder what goes through people's heads as they spout obvious complete and utter bobbins in service of The Cause, do they ever think "shit I'm out of my depth"'

I do think that DFW had many 'oh shit' moments during the interview - there was a lot of hair twiddling and defensive mug holding, a kind of self conscious attempt to look poised. Absolute cringe. It was a seriously bad outing for her. She really needed to stop digging

I thought that KK was actually very cool under an absolute hailstorm of stupidity, and sounded sane and reasonable throughout

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