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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
DialSquare · 21/03/2025 08:53

Poor Shobna . There she is thinking she's all so edgy when the rest of us are cringing at her jumping on the bandwagon just as it's crashed into a ditch.

BobbyBiscuits · 21/03/2025 08:59

60 year old soap actress who's desperate for any kind of relevance and publicity forgoes being 'female'...to achieve what exactly?
Her agent must have reached the bottom of the barrel with this one! Precisely nobody will find it edgy or interesting.

Didn't someone ridiculous like Demi Lovato claim she was NB at one point, and that girl who married a 60yo paedo at 16, Courtney Stodden. Still wore stripper heels and enormous extensions, bucket loads of makeup and tiny skirts though? This was about five years ago.

Surely that ship has sailed as far as celebrity revelations go?

RethinkingLife · 21/03/2025 09:07

Brock Colyar on Pronouns, Identifying as Nonbinary

"These days, it feels as if an identity that, not long ago, felt unique to me in most rooms I entered has gone mass. Yes, part of what I’m personally upset about is the fact that this thing I loved isn’t so alt anymore. But more than that, it feels as if pronoun culture has contributed to nonbinary becoming just the third gender after male and female, more static and concrete than its original fluid intentions. The same nonbinary person who complained about nonbinary stereotypes lamented to me, “I don’t want to be a homogeneous normcore mashing of the two genders.” Ben hoped, “If man or woman can mean so many things, then so can nonbinary.” We all became nonbinary to escape gendered expectations, and now we’re stuck again. I can’t help but think that the walking-on-eggshells battle for pronouns is turning my gender into a human-resources-approved corporate product, more neutered than neutral, and, maybe above all else, profoundly unromantic. Next time, just call me by my name."

https://www.thecut.com/article/brock-colyar-pronouns-nonbinary-essay.html?

They, Then and Now

Asking for pronouns has become a social standard. Who is it serving?

https://www.thecut.com/article/brock-colyar-pronouns-nonbinary-essay.html

BackToLurk · 21/03/2025 09:10

Another person brought up in an apparently conservative household with rigid ideas about what’s appropriate behaviour for girls and boys, I see.

RedHelenB · 21/03/2025 09:10

We're people first and foremost though, I agree with her on that

Coffeeishot · 21/03/2025 09:13

JPC123 · 20/03/2025 19:41

She says something along the lines of her family either thinking she was extremely masculine or extremely feminine at any given time as she was either jumping out of trees or dancing around in make up….

i don’t see this as being unusual, surely it is normal childhood? All of my children, of both sexes, enjoy these activities.

This could be me ? I'm not particularly one way or other but still a girl then woman. I wouldn't say I'm just a person, what an odd way to think.

lifeturnsonadime · 21/03/2025 09:13

They is a bit different isn't they?

What a load of old bollocks. Was she worried she's becoming irrelevant/ invisible?

Lottapianos · 21/03/2025 09:15

'I was curious so listened to the introduction where Gillian says she included submissions from men who say they are women. And then went on to note a new fast growing category: lactation-based fantasy. I could see the correlation, Gillian however did not. I didn't bother going any further.'

Oh FFS Gillian! 🤦🏻‍♂️ How incredibly idiotic of her. I thought her book sounded like a load of cringe so avoided it anyway but I didn't know there were men in there too. Shouldn't be surprised I guess ...

VaddaABeetch · 21/03/2025 09:18

I wonder if Victoria is reaching out from beyond the grave to have a laugh.

I miss Vic show would have made mincemeat of the gender stuff.

this is the equivalent of Aunty dancing at a wedding for her? Complete with a ‘jazzy’ jacket. I say this as a 56 year old.

Helleofabore · 21/03/2025 09:28

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 21/03/2025 08:46

As an aside and not meaning to derail, Gillian Anderson, apparently confusing her real life with a part she has played, has released a book on "female" sexual fantasies called Want, a sort of modern follow on from Nancy Friday's books. I was curious so listened to the introduction where Gillian says she included submissions from men who say they are women. And then went on to note a new fast growing category: lactation-based fantasy. I could see the correlation, Gillian however did not. I didn't bother going any further.

The "look at me" enbies are so silly. The idea that everybody who doesn't declare this vainglorious identity is just a set of sex-based stereotypes is offensive bollocks and deeply regressive.

Oh! well. Does this mean we will get a new influx of people defending the abuse that is feeding infants untested and not adaptive to baby’s needs secretions from male breasts?

Helleofabore · 21/03/2025 09:32

RethinkingLife · 21/03/2025 09:07

Brock Colyar on Pronouns, Identifying as Nonbinary

"These days, it feels as if an identity that, not long ago, felt unique to me in most rooms I entered has gone mass. Yes, part of what I’m personally upset about is the fact that this thing I loved isn’t so alt anymore. But more than that, it feels as if pronoun culture has contributed to nonbinary becoming just the third gender after male and female, more static and concrete than its original fluid intentions. The same nonbinary person who complained about nonbinary stereotypes lamented to me, “I don’t want to be a homogeneous normcore mashing of the two genders.” Ben hoped, “If man or woman can mean so many things, then so can nonbinary.” We all became nonbinary to escape gendered expectations, and now we’re stuck again. I can’t help but think that the walking-on-eggshells battle for pronouns is turning my gender into a human-resources-approved corporate product, more neutered than neutral, and, maybe above all else, profoundly unromantic. Next time, just call me by my name."

https://www.thecut.com/article/brock-colyar-pronouns-nonbinary-essay.html?

Thank you RethinkingLife. This is fabulous. This says the quiet bits out loud. Operation: Let them speak.

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 21/03/2025 09:33

Well exactly @helleofabore

Annascaul · 21/03/2025 09:35

RethinkingLife · 21/03/2025 09:07

Brock Colyar on Pronouns, Identifying as Nonbinary

"These days, it feels as if an identity that, not long ago, felt unique to me in most rooms I entered has gone mass. Yes, part of what I’m personally upset about is the fact that this thing I loved isn’t so alt anymore. But more than that, it feels as if pronoun culture has contributed to nonbinary becoming just the third gender after male and female, more static and concrete than its original fluid intentions. The same nonbinary person who complained about nonbinary stereotypes lamented to me, “I don’t want to be a homogeneous normcore mashing of the two genders.” Ben hoped, “If man or woman can mean so many things, then so can nonbinary.” We all became nonbinary to escape gendered expectations, and now we’re stuck again. I can’t help but think that the walking-on-eggshells battle for pronouns is turning my gender into a human-resources-approved corporate product, more neutered than neutral, and, maybe above all else, profoundly unromantic. Next time, just call me by my name."

https://www.thecut.com/article/brock-colyar-pronouns-nonbinary-essay.html?

Oh dear. Not special enough anymore. Poor baby 😄
Wait till he hears that the older ladies are jumping on the band wagon…

BunnyLake · 21/03/2025 09:51

There’s no such thing as non-binary. Men are multi-faceted and women are multi-faceted.

Stop trying to be ‘interesting’ Shobna, you’re making yourself look foolish.

BunnyLake · 21/03/2025 09:55

RedHelenB · 21/03/2025 09:10

We're people first and foremost though, I agree with her on that

Doesn’t really require an article or statements does it.

Hey people, we’re people, doh you don’t say.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 21/03/2025 09:58

@XXylophonic I've started googling my favourite actors to see their views and it's really fucking disappointing.

Ooh never do that, it shatters too many illusions and it doesn't work much better with sports people either unfortunately (thank Christ for the epic Sharron Davies).

Last I heard about Shobna was that she was going to crack America. So that obviously went well...

MorrisZapp · 21/03/2025 10:00

'let's funky it up a bit!'

BackToLurk · 21/03/2025 13:19

She's the one that was in dinnerpeople and Loose People, yea?

Coffeeishot · 21/03/2025 13:20

BackToLurk · 21/03/2025 13:19

She's the one that was in dinnerpeople and Loose People, yea?

HA yes that's the person 😀

SionnachRuadh · 21/03/2025 15:52

The wokebros at Wikipedia have already updated Shobna's page with they/them throughout Shobna Gulati - Wikipedia

Shobna Gulati - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shobna_Gulati

MassiveWordSalad · 22/03/2025 09:47

Could it be she’s a fifth columnist, taking one for the team to show how ridiculous it all is? Middle-aged women are supposed to be invisible, but she’s turned around and said “No! I want to be speshul too!” Good luck to her 😁

MassiveWordSalad · 22/03/2025 09:50

SionnachRuadh · 21/03/2025 15:52

The wokebros at Wikipedia have already updated Shobna's page with they/them throughout Shobna Gulati - Wikipedia

Except they missed the very first pronoun 🤣

Shobna Gulati
BunnyLake · 22/03/2025 09:58

So I guess she can’t be a part of the Loose Women panel anymore?

permitholdersonly · 22/03/2025 09:59

VaddaABeetch · 21/03/2025 09:18

I wonder if Victoria is reaching out from beyond the grave to have a laugh.

I miss Vic show would have made mincemeat of the gender stuff.

this is the equivalent of Aunty dancing at a wedding for her? Complete with a ‘jazzy’ jacket. I say this as a 56 year old.

I’d love to know what Victoria Wood would have made of all this nonsense. So much of her comedy was about women and women’s biology. I’d like to think she’d have taken the piss in her own unique style.

RobinHeartella · 22/03/2025 13:14

BunnyLake · 22/03/2025 09:58

So I guess she can’t be a part of the Loose Women panel anymore?

It's Loose Persons