Shobna Gulati

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Just spotted this article

https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/shobna-gulati-coronation-street-non-binary-b1217964.html

Ah but she could be on the panel if it’s Loose Persons, she can’t if it’s Loose Women.

Am I your mum???

I’m picturing the scene in dinner ladies where Anita tells Bren that shes non binary and Bren responds with ‘Let me know when you come to work as a bloke, I’ll put you on bin duty that day’.

When it takes you till the age of 60 to twig that gender stereotypes are a load of oppressive crap, and even then you think only you should be excused them because you're so special, it's fine to keep applying them to other people.

I sometimes think identifying as NB is a sure sign of seeing the rest of the world, and particularly older women, as some kind of Non Player Character in life.

The only thing I can see in her defence is she's working in a very stereotype heavy field of acting and media. One which treats older women like shit. I can see wanting to identify out. I don't think that happens though she may get a couple of rainbow interviews.

Someone new joined my work - senior professional role. Is married to a man and has kids, mid 40’s. Her Teams has they/them as pronouns.

i have concluded that she is either a) GC and is thus hilariously taking the piss or b) is stating she too is “non binary” and thus I am inwardly cringing for her on so many levels!

When she's caught short in a public place the chances are she'll decide she's a woman after all.

When I was about 11 (mid 80s) I ‘changed’ my name to a boy’s name - it wasn’t overtly a boy’s name like David but it was more masculine nonetheless (not saying it!).
Why? I watched a film and liked it - I remember that a teacher called me it after my friends told her but my parents never knew (?!)
After a few months I didn’t think of this at all
I dread to think if I had done this in recent years !!

In theatres I am often tempted to identify as a man - the gents’ queues are usually much shorter!

I’m genuinely tempted to put they/them pronouns in my email address because my line manager (he/him) would then have to earnestly watch out and change his entire opinion of me, as one of his tribe, and a special one at that!

I'm in a couple of large Victoria Wood Facebook groups and I'm afraid it's all "Lovely brave Shobna" "Vic would be so supportive.."
Anything not along those lines is deleted and several people have been banned 😔

That’s one long whine about not being special. “Don’t take my special thing otherwise you spoil the specialness!”

Didn't someone ridiculous like Demi Lovato claim she was NB at one point?

I think she came out as pansexual, “sexually fluid” (which sounds like you’ll need a mop) and queer. It just sounds like a whole lot of attention seeking to me.

It was an actual article in the Guardian. I can only assume it was a slow news day.

My 75 year old aunt (who spent most of her youth and early 30s marching for women's rights) declared at a family lunch a couple of months ago that she was now non-binary and preferred they/them pronouns.

My late 70s father (who is very GC) exclaimed 'FFS Shirley. You love to jump on every damned band wagon going and remind me again how many children you have given birth to?'.

This did NOT go down well. (Well, with Aunt, anyway) but it's not come up again.

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Oh, that’s disappointing.

I seriously judge anyone who unironically uses the word "normcore".

Someone who uses that word, is revealing that they think anything that is not "normal" is by default better than "normal". Anything subversive is good, in any direction, for any or no reason.

It's so arrogant. It's saying "I'm better than most people. Whatever other people have in common is stupid, I'm better than that by being different."

It's such a naive and uncritical view of the world. How did this political movement get such traction? When the mouthpieces talk such utter rubbish

D-list sleb discovers way of getting publicity shock

I mean, surely that's all non binary is. Identifying as being more interesting than all those boring normal people.

It literally depends on everyone else being binary.

Massive "only gay in the village" vibes.

"Coming out" as trans in one's sixties is perfectly commonplace - for men announcing they are transwomen.

If Jenner can "come out" / "transition" at 66, why not Gulati at 58? I think the way this is received could be quite telling.

(I realise that nonbinary is not the same thing, although Stonewall UK vehemently insisted for years that it was).

If Jenner can "come out" / "transition" at 66, why not Gulati at 58?

We all know why men of that age transition. But for Gulati it all seems to be about stereotypes rather than for the same reason as men. Has she really got to the age of 58 without ever hearing about feminism? What is understandable in a child or adolescent is unbelievable in a woman of that age.

What annoys me about the state of being non-binary is when people say they are just a ‘person’ or want to be seen as a ‘person’. This indicates that:

1. All other women go round in a state of ‘woman-ness’ and wish to be constantly seen as, or acknowledged as a woman
2. Being a woman is something that just isn’t good enough as a status in its own right - not complex enough, not practical enough, too delicate, too ‘girly’
3. All other women want to conform to all the gender stereotypes that society has foisted upon the female sex, whereas they are expansive, free and infinitely more interesting ‘complex’.

Can they not see how they come across?!! It’s such a stealth brag!

Quite, “coming out” as non binary or whatever seems to be the equivalent of talking about your kinks - it’s just a desire to prove to everyone that you’re not a boring old vanilla normie. See also: “spicy straight”.

Used to know someone who constantly dropped heavy hints about her fetishes and kinks, it was fucking tedious not least because she made it clear that those who didn’t share her interests or didn’t want to discuss them were insufficiently sexually liberated

Reminiscent of “of course, I’m a traveler, not a tourist”

The thing is that we all know what Jenner and other trans women are "coming out as", even if we disagree that it is possible for them to actually be that thing.

What does "coming out as non binary" mean?

It's like a negative identity. You're saying you don't identify as a man or a woman. OK cool. So what, you're identifying as nothing? (Of course, there are still two types of nothing, the male type and the female type, and so even being non binary comes in two binary options.)

The whole thing is just deeply silly.