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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
SidewaysOtter · 22/03/2025 20:04

ScoldsBridle · 22/03/2025 19:53

What annoys me about the state of being non-binary is when people say they are just a ‘person’ or want to be seen as a ‘person’. This indicates that:

  1. All other women go round in a state of ‘woman-ness’ and wish to be constantly seen as, or acknowledged as a woman
  2. Being a woman is something that just isn’t good enough as a status in its own right - not complex enough, not practical enough, too delicate, too ‘girly’
  3. All other women want to conform to all the gender stereotypes that society has foisted upon the female sex, whereas they are expansive, free and infinitely more interesting ‘complex’.

Can they not see how they come across?!! It’s such a stealth brag!

It also smacks of not having the ovaries to stand up to gender stereotypes, and that being a woman is something undesirable to be opted out of. I mean, womaning isn't always easy ( <side eye at menopause> ) but being a woman is by and large fucking brilliant, IMO.

SionnachRuadh · 22/03/2025 20:57

SidewaysOtter · 22/03/2025 19:58

Quite, “coming out” as non binary or whatever seems to be the equivalent of talking about your kinks - it’s just a desire to prove to everyone that you’re not a boring old vanilla normie. See also: “spicy straight”.

Used to know someone who constantly dropped heavy hints about her fetishes and kinks, it was fucking tedious not least because she made it clear that those who didn’t share her interests or didn’t want to discuss them were insufficiently sexually liberated Hmm

I've known these spicy straight types. Yes, it's purely about elevating their status by showing they aren't vanilla.

The only correct response is to say "Oh shut up you silly little man, nobody cares about your banal sex life."

Also, you notice it's only the kinks that they think might be seen as "cool", not the obviously silly ones that would get them laughed at. As Joan Rivers used to say, when celebrities open up about their eating disorders, it's only ever the thin ones.

OneFineDay13 · 22/03/2025 21:06

Cosmosforbreakfast · 20/03/2025 19:59

I'm just really saddened that she's stooped this low for a bit of publicity.

This

HappySheldon · 23/03/2025 06:42

SidewaysOtter · 22/03/2025 19:58

Quite, “coming out” as non binary or whatever seems to be the equivalent of talking about your kinks - it’s just a desire to prove to everyone that you’re not a boring old vanilla normie. See also: “spicy straight”.

Used to know someone who constantly dropped heavy hints about her fetishes and kinks, it was fucking tedious not least because she made it clear that those who didn’t share her interests or didn’t want to discuss them were insufficiently sexually liberated Hmm

'insufficiently sexually liberated'.

Hah! That reminds me of a hiking trip I took in Europe 20 odd years ago. One morning another woman and I started off early and a few minutes in she took off ALL her clothes and hiked completely starkers, barring her boots and socks. She was extremely pushy that I should do the same and I refused. She got really shirty with me and snapped 'The problem with you is that you are not fully engaged with life'.

That sentence has become a bit of a joke in my family now and used for all sorts of things.

I was kind enough to politely ignore that she had to hold the straps of her rucksack away from her nipples due to chafing though.

BettyEagleton · 23/03/2025 07:57

I was never very feminine as a little girl in the 1970s. I remember everyone used to call me “son”. I think if Non Binary had been a thing when I was a teen I would have embraced it wholeheartedly because I found - and I still find - some of the stuff involved in being ‘feminine’ quite bewildering, especially relationships with boys. I think it would have taken the pressure off a bit when I was finding the world a bit tricky. I even have a unisex name (not by choice - it’s just the name I was given) so I wouldn’t have had to change it.

BUT now I am in my 50s and I understand that it’s just based on shit stereotypes. I admit I still find it all hard and sometimes despair at how rubbish I am at things like hair and makeup and choosing clothes - I wish all the time that I looked better but I hate that I wish that 🤯. But I am also old enough and wise enough to realise that none of that affects the fact that I am a woman in every cell of my body.

Anyway, a declaration of this ilk is the ultimate “I’m not like other girls”. Consequently I have absolutely no time for this whatsoever.

The13thFairy · 23/03/2025 15:29

She's 58. Good grief.

Teado · 23/03/2025 20:09

OneFineDay13 · 22/03/2025 21:06

This

Yeah me too.

ReversedFerret · 25/03/2025 05:22

OldCrone · 22/03/2025 19:47

If Jenner can "come out" / "transition" at 66, why not Gulati at 58?

We all know why men of that age transition. But for Gulati it all seems to be about stereotypes rather than for the same reason as men. Has she really got to the age of 58 without ever hearing about feminism? What is understandable in a child or adolescent is unbelievable in a woman of that age.

Has she really got to the age of 58 without ever hearing about feminism?

Not without hearing about it or even without superficially and performatively embracing it, but come on. Margaret Atwood, Rebecca Solnit, and Naomi Wolf all themselves "feminists", and if you are oblivious enough you might have done so too. You must know that the world is full of pickles and handmaidens calling themselves "feminists", whilst actively working against feminism. And honestly, if you really do not get that, then maybe you lack the knowledge to opine about feminism here or anywhere.

Szygy · 25/03/2025 07:07

normcore mashing of the two genders

Sounds painful, but I think you can get a cream for it over the counter.

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