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I regret voting Labour - they've let women down

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IwantToRetire · 18/03/2025 18:51

Polling shows that women are falling out of love with Labour - thanks to economic policies that will hit them the hardest and 'unforgivable' aid cuts

The latest polling from YouGov shows that women are falling out of love with Labour fast. In the first month of Starmer’s government, only a third (32 per cent) of women said they “disapproved of the Government’s record so far”; by mid-February that figure had more than doubled to 68 per cent.

Part-time and low-income jobs, which are disproportionately held by women, are predicted to be hardest hit by the rise in employers’ NI contributions. In the childcare and social care sectors the impact is expected to be particularly tough, with the effects of those changes being felt primarily by women too. Both sectors are major employers of female labour, and when costs rise or their services are shut down, it is women’s lives that are affected too.

High-net-worth women are also disappointed. The Saltus Wealth Index polls people holding more than £250,000 in investable assets. It revealed that women in this group were slightly more likely than men to have voted Labour in last summer’s election, and that Labour was still the most popular party for wealthy women – but of the 38 per cent who voted Labour in July, 68 per cent now regretted their decision.

From an article in the "i" https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/regret-voting-labour-women-3580582

Can also be read at https://archive.is/zXtxe

I regret voting Labour - they've let women down

Polling shows that women are falling out of love with Labour - thanks to economic policies that will hit them the hardest and 'unforgivable' aid cuts

https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/regret-voting-labour-women-3580582

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twistyizzy · 23/03/2025 09:00

duc748 · 22/03/2025 15:17

Whereas of course, what they should have done was...

Not crashed the economy, raised costs for employers and lie about absolutely everything! Those 3 things would have been a start.

frenchnoodle · 23/03/2025 11:21

duc748 · 22/03/2025 15:17

Whereas of course, what they should have done was...

Take stress off the school system by making Flexi and home schooling easier for families that are able to provide it.

Clarify that the female sex exists as it's own class in law, and single sex exemptions are still enforceable.

Two very easy things right there.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 23/03/2025 22:22

UK debt.
https://www.itv.com/news/2025-03-21/uk-facing-hike-in-debt-costs-oecd-says-in-headache-for-reeves
One of these days, a UK Government will default on the debt. In practical terms, that means the banks close and the Government steals everyone's savings, public servants do not get paid and there is hyper inflation with people preferring to use the dollar to buy goods.

duc748 · 24/03/2025 00:59

Maybe, but people have been saying that for as long as I can remember, and it hasn't happened yet.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 24/03/2025 09:20

ScholesPanda · 19/03/2025 18:38

My comment was not farcical, nor does my opinion relate to a view that 'boomers' had it easy.

Boomers are now paying more tax than Gen Z because pensioners have better incomes than ever. Whilst not rich, lots of pensioners have reasonable incomes and whilst £300 might be missed we can't afford to dole cash out to households on average, ordinary or comfortable incomes in that way anymore. Particularly if they are sitting on huge amounts of wealth - 25% of pensioners are millionaires. Most of my pensioner friends agree.

I do think it has hit pensioners who only earn a few thousand more than the basic pension though and indicated as much.

25% of pensioners are millionaires.
That’s a meaningless claim in this context. It’s based on the value of pension pots and on the ludicrously bloated price of housing in this country.

Today’s pensioners had a chance to buy before property prices started spiralling upwards. If they sold up they, like everyone else, would have to pay an equally inflated price to live somewhere else.

The pension pots they paid into during their working lives aren’t exactly disposable income either, as people who have them rely on the pension pot for their regular income. UK state pensions are among the lowest in Europe, compared with cost of living.

fullfact.org/online/pensioner-millionaire-households/

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/03/2025 09:21

The debt is not sustainable though. Are people agreed on that. Unfortunately taxing the rich doesn't work. They just hide their money or take off to places like Dubai. They're leaving in droves apparently. Labour had just collided with reality.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/03/2025 09:25

As for the pensioner bashing, most pensioners pay tax and are not solely reliant on the state pension which is one of the lowest in Europe. A pensioner in Spain gets double. Most of the pensioners are hanging onto their homes in case they need them to fund a care home which is thousands of pounds.

user6209817643 · 24/03/2025 09:32

It’s a shitshow. I’m old enough to remember previous labour governments and they’ve always made a hash of the economy but this feels a different level of incompetence. I’m starting to wonder if the conspiracy theories that the WEF are in charge and they are selling all our assets to Blackrock and the like are true! Interesting times indeed…

EasternStandard · 24/03/2025 09:32

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/03/2025 09:21

The debt is not sustainable though. Are people agreed on that. Unfortunately taxing the rich doesn't work. They just hide their money or take off to places like Dubai. They're leaving in droves apparently. Labour had just collided with reality.

People seem to be ok with debt but it costs. Debt servicing is more than the defence budget.

anyolddinosaur · 24/03/2025 12:45

The Blair Labour government's first few term saw debt fall and they actually had a surplus on tax for a few years. Bailing out the banks put debt up again and if the Tories hadnt sold the government share to their mates at bargain prices that debt could have been reduced.

EasternStandard · 24/03/2025 14:05

Blair was a while back. We have Starmer’s gov now with his and Reeves’ decisions. Which seem to be stalling growth and ending in more cuts.

Chersfrozenface · 24/03/2025 14:30

The Blair Labour government's first few term saw debt fall and they actually had a surplus on tax for a few years.

They were very enthusiastic about PFI which avoided using taxes and debt to pay for projects in the public sector. How's that working out?
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/blogs/unhealthy-end-looms-private-finance-initiative

anyolddinosaur · 24/03/2025 15:18

user6209817643 said "I’m old enough to remember previous labour governments and they’ve always made a hash of the economy " - not true.

PFI originated with the tories although labour were daft enough to continue it.

We'll have to wait and see how Starmer's government works out. They havent even had a year yet and dont have a magic wand to reverse years of decline.

EasternStandard · 24/03/2025 15:54

anyolddinosaur · 24/03/2025 15:18

user6209817643 said "I’m old enough to remember previous labour governments and they’ve always made a hash of the economy " - not true.

PFI originated with the tories although labour were daft enough to continue it.

We'll have to wait and see how Starmer's government works out. They havent even had a year yet and dont have a magic wand to reverse years of decline.

Did they include halving growth in that? OBR taking it from 2% to 1%

Magic wand or not it can’t be what they were after when they pledged ‘fastest growth in G7’.

They're doing the opposite.

twistyizzy · 24/03/2025 18:14

anyolddinosaur · 24/03/2025 15:18

user6209817643 said "I’m old enough to remember previous labour governments and they’ve always made a hash of the economy " - not true.

PFI originated with the tories although labour were daft enough to continue it.

We'll have to wait and see how Starmer's government works out. They havent even had a year yet and dont have a magic wand to reverse years of decline.

They turned a black hole into a super massive blackhole, crippled business, stifled growth. taxed education, cut WFA, taxed farmers, screwed over WASPI women, cut benefits for disabled....all in less than 12 months!
They lie + gaslight when found out.
That's all I need to know.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/03/2025 18:45

PFI was a disaster. But not as much as Blair's wars. I never voted Labour again after that. TBH, I don't vote for any of them. They are all liars. Count Binface gets my vote especially as he promises free croissants for all.

TeiTetua · 24/03/2025 19:26

I don't see any point in rehashing the recent election. The voters didn't want the Tories any more, and that's that. It would be more useful to talk about what Labour will do under Starmer, and whether times have changed in a direction that makes victory more difficult for the trans cause. Or whether such a change could be made to happen, even with Labour in charge.

Good signs were the Cass report, the discrediting of the Tavistock Clinic, and various legal cases that make it clear that GC beliefs don't make anyone into a pariah, and others relating to women's insistence on single-sex spaces. Still pending in Fife and Darlington, of course.

Oh, and the fall of Nicola Sturgeon, who's widely seen to have backed the wrong side and paid a high price for it. Who'd want to do what she did?

JanesLittleGirl · 24/03/2025 20:22

It's like being in the Headmistress 's study:

You have let the Party down.
You have let the Country down.
But most of all, you have let yourselves down.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/03/2025 20:29

Haha 😄 maybe a bottle of whisky and a shotgun 😜 🤣

illinivich · 24/03/2025 23:21

anyolddinosaur · 24/03/2025 15:18

user6209817643 said "I’m old enough to remember previous labour governments and they’ve always made a hash of the economy " - not true.

PFI originated with the tories although labour were daft enough to continue it.

We'll have to wait and see how Starmer's government works out. They havent even had a year yet and dont have a magic wand to reverse years of decline.

The PFI sums up our political class.

It was introduced by Major as a work around spending constraints, and widely critised by labour. Once in power, Blairs government ran with it, George Osborne being particularly critical of the long term problems. Oddly enough, once chancellor, he seemed to have a change of heart.

Its as if we can't predict what we are voting for.

TempestTost · 25/03/2025 16:56

illinivich · 24/03/2025 23:21

The PFI sums up our political class.

It was introduced by Major as a work around spending constraints, and widely critised by labour. Once in power, Blairs government ran with it, George Osborne being particularly critical of the long term problems. Oddly enough, once chancellor, he seemed to have a change of heart.

Its as if we can't predict what we are voting for.

Sometimes, when I am querying my cynicism, I wonder if the problem is that in reality, once you are in government, the choices are narrow or even non-existent.

So even if you see the long term issue with these PFI arrangements, you need money for hospitals, and you don't have any, so what are the options? Not renew them? Or go with the PFIs and hope somehow it works out down the road?

In part it's would be that the public would not accept doing nothing and not re-elect you, but I think even for a very ethical MP, it would be stressful to say, we can't fulfill the obligations the public expects for healthcare and I know people will suffer and die because of it. So you kick the can down the road.

It's a feature in our political model that the opposition only has to criticize what the government does rather than offer alternatives. Which is for good reason, but sometimes it might be nice to get a good sense of what other options might be available to solve problems.

IwantToRetire · 25/03/2025 20:23

Dozens of women’s organisations have warned Rachel Reeves to rethink her disability benefits cuts over fears it will remove a “vital lifeline” for victims of abuse.

Campaigners and researchers have told the Chancellor that disabled women are nearly twice as likely to experience economic abuse compared to non-disabled women, and are nearly four times more likely to have a partner or ex-partner stop them, or try to stop them, accessing benefits that they or their children are entitled to. They also warn that it will likely be women who will be forced to take on or increase unpaid care for their loved ones if their benefits are stripped back - often to the detriment of their own health and wellbeing.

article continues at https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/dwp-cuts-spark-huge-reaction-34927895

DWP cuts spark huge reaction from women’s groups - full letter to Rachel Reeves

Dozens of women’s organisations have warned Rachel Reeves to rethink her disability benefits cuts over fears it will remove a 'vital lifeline' for victims of abuse

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/dwp-cuts-spark-huge-reaction-34927895

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EasternStandard · 27/03/2025 06:48

Headlines are scathing today. I feel like Starmer and Reeves will try to ride it out no matter what. Regardless of damage.

SionnachRuadh · 27/03/2025 07:10

Reeves was already on an 11% approval rating, which would make her less popular than Meghan Markle or Tommy Robinson. She may feel the only way is up. And Starmer can't sack her without damaging himself.

But the Chancellor will be judged on whether the voters feel they're becoming better off. That should be her sole focus. Instead Labour are getting her to pose in front of a tank, and sending talking heads onto TV to complain about the "Rachel from Accounts" meme being sexist.

I think we can smell desperation.

twistyizzy · 27/03/2025 07:22

Local MPs are bald faced lying on their Facebook pages + claiming OBR said growth for this year so that "working people" will be better off.
I think they are so scared of losing the whip as new MPs, that they will peddle any shit.