Canadian PM Mark Carney's child attended Tavistock

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https://www.junonews.com/p/exclusive-mark-carney-sent-daughter

Also references in an article about this board on Mumsnet
(available here as a PDF, pg38-40
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Totally. Anne was wet and girly. I honestly think I would have fallen for all tje transport stuff if it had been around in the 70s.
Turns out, I was just a tomboy.

Yes, it's young children where I would hesitate to mention it, even if I suspect the parent's judgment is being biased.

Adult children are a whole other thing. I could never get over how the media tiptoed around Hunter Biden's antics as if he was a wayward teenager, not a man in his fifties.

Biden was provocative. Trudeau was provocative. Carney is provocative. People don't have to act like toddlers and whine as much about good policies as bad ones. Knee-jerk political tribalism is silly*.

*I think all politicians are rubbish tbf

Me too! I dressed as a boy aged about 8 or 9 and definitely wanted to be one. Boys’ stuff was so much more interesting. My parents let me get on with it. It was the 70s thank god, not the 2020s so I wasn’t encouraged to cut my breasts off and take T.
Puberty sorted all that out. Soon wearing make up, styling my hair, dating boys and these days married (to a man as it happens) with two kids.

Back to Carney - I think having trans offspring is relevant as it may inform his outlook (like Ed Balls for example). Sasha is an out and proud trans right activist it seems. Canada is clearly having a problem balancing women’s and trans rights and in protecting young gender questioning kids. These are important issues, I think it’s fair to ask Carney for his approach.

Nobody is quite as provocative as Trump, though. His whole approach is to provoke......no element of diplomacy at all...so naturally gets people's back up.

Pah! Biden's weird behaviour with Mulvaney and all the rest was as provocative and controversial as anything Trump does. I'm not going to put women's interests at the back of the queue and pretend he wasn't.

My point is that Trump is intentionally provocative. It's his style. And that winds people up; even his own allies, and those who had supported some of the things he might do when in office.

Some of us had hoped his election might mean the roll back of trans ideology not just in the U.S ( where it was born), but elsewhere too; but now find that his election is actually uniting all sorts of people together to actively oppose everything he does. That's disappointing....but is a consequence of his aggressive and dismissive way of approaching things.

The best that can be said is that he's shaking everything up and disrupting old patterns..

Yes, I agree about Trump. But so was Biden. He did so many things that were deliberately offensive and divisive and got away with stuff Trump is/was rightly castigated for like migrant kids in cages. Unfortunately, actual behaviour doesn't really matter, it's whether the politician is from their team or not. I don't think opposing for opposing's sake is a worthwhile use of energy and it can often be a nuisance.

Are you in the U.S.A? I'm speaking from a European/UK persepective.

If you are not In Europe you may be unaware of how Trump, and now JD Vance, are being perceived. Even those who were understanding of all you say above about the situation in the U.S see Trump as a total loose canon, a bully, and disrespectful of long standing relationships and allies. And what is happening is that all sorts of groupings are uniting in opposition to his presidency, and certainly his style.

We've seen the Liberals in Canada, for example, being given a boost and making up ground in the polls. Before Trump was elected, the Liberals were going to be completely annihilated at the upcoming Canadian election...now it doesn't seem so certain.

If his election represented a re-balancing of matters which had gone too much to the extreme, then the manner of his presidency is creating another re-balancing - because of his extreme nature.

JD Vance comes across as utterly culturally ignorant - which is disappointing. I thought he might be a moderating influence. And Elon Musk is even worse.

All combine to make us realise here in Europe just how foreign the U.S really is, and how we don't share its culture. We always knew that, and resented U.S cultural hegemony.....but now it is becoming impossible to ignore. 'America First' really doesn't give a damn for its allies or its long term relationships.

Oh dear, seems like Havoc's mother has gone shy.

And I was so looking forward to learning the specifics of what I'd said that inspired such outrage - alas!

You are right. Charlize Theron, Sandra Bullock, Cate Blanchett, Megan Fox all have trans kids. So weird.

Oh for goodness sake, we are talking about a grown woman here, not a child. A grown woman who has clearly spoken about her experience too.

It is highly relevant that a country's leader is all-in on this destructive mind virus. Like any religion, it will influence their decisions & has no place in politics!

I'm British, from Liverpool actually. I just don't think Trump is particularly worse than the equally awful Biden.

Funny you said about Vance being uncultured. I don't pretend to know anything about him but I do remember seeing him hand Rory Stewart his arse on a plate over some religious spat they were having which was hilarious.

Yes JD Vance’s handling of Rory Stewart was satisfyingly deft.

However he has shown himself to inexplicably ignorant , or crashingly careless when he gets carried away with the sound of his own voice. He suggested recently that an American economic stake in Ukraine was a better security guarantee than "20,000 troops from some random country that hasn't fought a war in 30 or 40 years", a comment aimed at France or the UK (or both). I am not too young to remember the British coffins that came back from Iraq and Afghanistan. Vance is a disgrace to have dismissed this.

Oh, Ovarit.... 🙄
Some backstory (fr Wikipedia)
"After r/GenderCritical was banned, several of its users migrated to Ovarit, a trans-exclusionary radical feminism-centered website similar to Reddit.[35]"

Not Blanchett, it’s Naomi Watts. Not sure about Sandra Bullock either. That awful Cynthia Nixon (whom I like as an actor), definitely has a trans child.

Well I've been absolutely rumbled, yes I do read sites that deal with gender critical feminism.

Can you tell me what the issue you have with what I've posted? Do you not think adults should be allowed to share the particulars of their adolescent gender issues?

Keep trying to hide behind that. 🙄

He’s way worse for women than the previous administration.

The roll back of DEI policies specifically hurts all women. People think DEI is about discriminatory practices favouring black people but in practice, white women benefited the most. DEI included a whole suite of policies that are normal in other countries includes things like parental leave, carer’s leave, job share etc. This is stuff that supports our participation in the workforce.

Also his administration has taken down women specific health websites because it’s too woke. And let’s not get started with Trump’s support behind the erosion of access to abortion, which is leading to maternal death rates increasing in the affected states.

That some feminists were originally hopeful of Trump has me scratching my head. Trump only opposed trans ideology from the perspective of the religious right, not because he cared about women. As someone who is close family with religious right types, they are very very opposed to feminism and believe there is a divine natural order starting with God, then men and women at the bottom. I have been told that the reason DV exists is because of feminism and they bring up feminism as a threat almost as much as trans rights.

Hi Havoc's mother, do you have anything specific to add to the discussion or are you just here to troll?

I'm in Liverpool too......😎Some of the things Vance has come out with are plain ignorant and arrogant - especially as that relates to the culture and affairs of other countries. It seems he gets most of his information from social media/ Twitter - just like Musk - who has no natural political instinct, either.

What they are achieving is to unite everyone against them in such a way that the U.S is now perceived as being positively hostile to all previous allies/countries/relationships. That could end up being a necessary and good thing for those countries...as they have to be less subservient to the U.S and more involved with their own cultures and political processes.......but nonetheless Trump's way of going about matters does alienate people and creates new enemies. He may well want to bring peace to the world - and he may succeed in pausing wars in the short term......but he's creating other wars - such as trade wars, culture wars with his approach and style of "doing deals".

I can't say I'm sad the Democrats lost. Joe Biden was the worst president ever; an embarrassment long before it came to the election campaign. I could only assume that he was being maintained in office as a puppet of Barack Obama - who was really running the show and dictating the direction of travel.

DEI, Antifa, BLM, Defund the Police, uncontrolled migration, relaxed drug laws, had become monsters and created the bedrock that was ready for Trump.. Kamala was awful - and the idea that people should just vote for her because she was female and mixed race told you everythng you already knew about DEI.

A lot of people have had enough of the type of Feminism that arises out of intersectionalist models of thinking - in which women are always an oppressed group. Equality arguments can only go so far...before they start to seem like being female or a mother is something to be avoided. And that's before we even get on to trans ideology...which has just run amok in the U.S. America may call itself the Home of the Brave, but really it is the Home of the Crazy.

Most women end up being mothers, and we are all part of families - even if they are dysfunctional. Women's interests are not always separate from the interests of their family. Yes, access to abortion is important, but it is not everything ( many women will never seek an abortion), and the 'no limit' laws in some states is just provocative, and certainly in a country as religious as the U.S.A. The U.S is just so extreme - and its politics are shaped by that extremity.

Hiya la!

Just some things Vance has come out with? That's probably a win by political standards lol

Anyway, trade wars are definitely a Trump thing but culture wars - that's Biden starting them not us. The accusation by transactivists and their associates of culture wars when they get pushback is pure DARVO intended to shame and control imo. But because Biden is on the right team he doesn't get held to account by people on the left, instead it's the likes of Trump or others holding the status quo on that particular issue who get it in the neck.

Gosh, if Wikipedia says this, it MUST be true. 🙄