Canadian PM Mark Carney's child attended Tavistock

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https://www.junonews.com/p/exclusive-mark-carney-sent-daughter

Also references in an article about this board on Mumsnet
(available here as a PDF, pg38-40
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No, just the bigotry and vitriole.

As an adult if you make your thoughts and experiences public in print or any other medium, it really is up to you to deal with people's reactions. Don't want to deal with opposing opinions? Don't say anything publicly. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's just the way the world works. Sasha Carney wrote an essay and it was published. People are allowed to comment on what she said.

Agreed, NotAtMyAge, but I don't think Ms Carney is actually suffering any 'consequences' bad enough to have to be 'coped with' just because someone posted a link to an article about her.

There hasn't been any nasty stuff directed at her, has there? Obviously, most posters disagree with her pro-trans position, but the most heated posts seem to be the ones who seem to think she is a child, and that somebody has outed her against her will, whereas in fact she is a grown woman who has put her experiences into the public domain herself.

So post something interesting and constructive then! Move the discussion on. You haven't posted anything worth reading, just snark. I and others have expressed an interest in hearing more about Canadian politics. But I do understand if it's out of your comfort zone.

OP Meghan Murphy is a Canadian feminist/realist who I think was kicked off X after complaints from Jonathan 'wax my balls' Yaniv-who believes themself a woman. Canada has huge problems with Morgane Ogar another male with lady feelz who has successfully campaigned to defund Vancouver women's rape refuge because they are sticking to their guns and remaining single sex. I think Canadas female prisons are mixed sex and schools are thoroughly infiltrated with Gender Ideology. It is so important to know Mark Carneys views on gender ideology, I fear (as has been seen before in our very own prime minister) if a child identifies as trans then parents feel they have to agree with the ideology...

Sure, but no one needs to be hateful. That's a choice.

Riiiight. Clever. 👍

Yep.

Sup?

You need to define "hateful" in this context. What some people would call hateful, others would see as simple fact. Merely mentioning the immutability of biological sex is categorised as hateful by some.

In the same way politicians should declare their financial conflicts of interest, they should also declare their social and cultural interests when running for office or voting on legislation.

Replacing sex with gender was never part of Trudeau's/Liberal's election platform yet they did it anyway. Carney, who has not faced the electorate in a byelection or general election, leads the country and will set the legislative agenda. He has been described as a very smart man with very poor judgment (eg friends with Ghislaine Maxwell). Transgender ideology is resulting in the mutilation of children. If a politician is carrying water for a trans child, the public has a right to know.

The NDP (who in some ways occupy a similar space to the LibDems as a third party, though they are a little bigger) and the Greens are both as captured as the minor left parties in the UK. I'm not sure about Le Bloc, I suspect they would like to keep out of it.

The Conservatives are very mixed as a group. Their leader, Pierre Poilievre, is often painted in the media as a far right reactionary, but he's actually extremely middle of the road on most social issues and has generally been supportive of things like same sex marriage, and I think he was actually really late to the game in terms of making a statement about gender ideology. I do think now he has, and gets it.

On the other hand, I think he has deliberately avoided bringing it up as an election issue. The fact is that it can only cause him problems and lose him votes, it's really a no win scenario if it becomes an election discussion. I don't have a lot of certainly he'd do anything overt about it even if he won, if he thought it would be unpopular. But I don't think he'd support it either, and he'd probably allow things which would ultimately undermine it.

Pathetic.

Alltheprettyseahorses

Does this apply to leaders (general) you're not ideologically teamed with too? If Carney is under what are arguably harmful influences it shouldn't be hidden.

Harmful influences? Seriously?
It’s a father supporting his child.
As he should.

should a Father support a child if they wish to remove their breasts or penis? really? REALLY?

After discussion, yes.

What’s the alternative if they’re certain?
Turn your back on them?
No, won’t ever do that.

If his daughter had been suffering from anorexia who he have supported her in her believe she was fat, even though, as anyone could have seen, she was nothing more than skin and bone, I wonder.

Bigotry, vitriol, hatefulness... on another thread it was 'toxic debate' and 'frothing at the mouth' .

These seem to be free-floating concepts that hover over FWR discussions, and regardless of what is actually said, no matter how polite or constructive or factually correct or well researched it is, ' bigotry, vitriol, hatefulness, toxicity' are going to swoop down randomly with unsupported accusations.

Anybody thinking of using predictable words like that in such a random and unfocused way need to know that overuse blunts effectiveness.

If you don't mind that, and just want to keep saying words like bigotry, vitriol, hatefulness, toxicity, fine, go ahead, free speech and all that. But they are so overused, with so little rational justification, that they don't have the effect that I think posters who use them think they have.

He's the prime minister of Canada. To what extent will that support affect how he does his job and his responsibilities towards the wider population? We've seen it with MPs here eg Lisa Nandy and her obsession with a single trans-identified constituent that led her down the path of publicly stating she would put male rapists in women's prisons.

The view that we shouldn't ever criticise politicians who are on "our side" because it might damage some greater cause is exactly the sort of attitude that got Trump into power.

I agree.....that is one of the big impacts of Trumpism.....to provoke others to act in the opposite direction of whatever he's saying or doing. It's juvenile rebellion stuff, but happens nonetheless.

But becauase Trump is so provocative in his approach he necessarily contellates opposition - so it could well be that even useful policies get thrown out or opposed just because it's him implementing them.

Canada is a country where a nurse has just been found guilty of professional misconduct for supporting women’s rights and making statements of biological reality. In the judgment against her, it was declared that claiming sex is binary is unacceptable. It’s persecution based on a falsehood. It’s a witch hunt. It’s not unreasonable to look at the beliefs and actions of the country’s leader to see if he is going to show any indication that he intends to put a stop to such nonsense, or line up with a lit torch to help get the flames going.

If Carney starts using his children for political gain then that will be different but, until then, I think politicians are entitled to a family life. I'm more interested in if / how / why he's been parachuted in like this. Or maybe I've just not been paying attention - sorry Canada - but I wasn't even aware he'd gone into politics and now he's PM?

And yes, why do I get the feeling I'm going to be called a Trump supporter for asking?

Sasha Carney graduated from Yale University, and now works as a reviewer in Brooklyn.
I do agree that children when they are young should not be dragged into politics but as she has graduated from University and is working independently now I think that comment should be allowed.
It shows the bias in direction that Carney may take in his policy towards trans rights/women's rights. That is a fair question to ask and it might lead to him being questioned about it by reporters which would be a good thing.