Canadian PM Mark Carney's child attended Tavistock

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https://www.junonews.com/p/exclusive-mark-carney-sent-daughter

Also references in an article about this board on Mumsnet
(available here as a PDF, pg38-40
static1.squarespace.com/static/598d52a0cf81e004ba34a0a2/t/5fae93991c7089551ac8fbfc/1605276602695/smaller.pdf )

Wow 😂
Carney is not the solution, he's the problem.

Economic inequality is created by people like him.
Wars are created by people like him.
Telling children they're "born wrong and need to be lifelong medical patients" is created by people like him.
Ideological austerity and human exploitation is what they dream of. Epstein's child sex island is a dream come true for him and his friends. Shame the Clinton's had to kill Epstein off in his opinion.

He is not going to help Canada, he will destabilise it further and make things worse. (Better for him and his billionaire banker friends, though).

This is what these people do.

I think she is criticising the idea that there is one "truth" of trans, that either dysphoria in children persists and is a sign of true transness or that it doesn't and therefore the truth is that "trans" does not exist. And therefore also disagreeing with the idea that science or data can be used to arbitrate between these.

She just doesnt address what "trans" is. Or that it's often used as an umbrella term which means that there is no such thing as "authentically" trans since it can mean more or less anything, much like queer. But then again she also describes mumsnet as something like "a mommy blogger site." so defining terms is either not her strong point or perhaps not relevant to her own thoughts or those of her intended audience.

Bearing in mind this article is from fourish years ago when she was 20ish, writing for what looks like a student publication with writers who self describe as predominantly queer women...

I think it's not as frothing or as rigidly ideological as might be expected. I wonder what she thinks of it now?

One thing I would take issue with is her lack of empathy for parents and the use of parentheses for "concerned". And as someone else pointed out, the information that she went to the Tavistock as a teenager doesn't really say much about her parents and their opinion of all this. Plenty of parents took this route. I wonder what she'll think of this if she ever gains the life experience that is being a mother?

She's bloody named herself! And she is not a kid.

I usually agree that it's wrong to bring politicians' families into political debates, but in this case, as PPs have said, the subject is not a child, and has freely published her own forceful opinions on gender.

I also agree that having a trans child appears to influence parents' thinking on the subject - or maybe it's just a whole lot of coincidences? - and therefore it is relevant to what Carney's prime ministership might mean for the restoration of women's rights in Canada.

I don't see anything wrong with what the OP has done.

I never knew that about one of the offspring of a Labour Party family. A quick google led to many photos and newspaper articles, with publicised spread of photo shoots showing a bandaged woman just having had her breasts cut off. Not for disease or anything; just you don’t want them. An adult, so not a child. A woman who identifies as non binary, but oddly definitely now as a ‘he’. Why say you’re now a ‘he’ man, yet also make a big deal out of saying you’re ’non binary’? He and she are very much binary. How proud they all are of her for her great accomplishments, i.e.cutting bits off, and being so brave as to ‘identify’ as man. It truly makes you humble in the presence of such greatness.

Just my personal opinion, but I find it incredible that so much energy and resources are expended (and drained from true need) on this absolute codswallop. To me it is unfathomable how a not very enriching (quite the opposite) anti scientific ideology has been allowed to erode rights and protections against abuse of women and children. Something incredibly homophobic too as lesbians are vilified for not accepting a man as a lesbian.

I must admit, I never thought about having children until later in life. Certainly not breastfeeding any offspring. Until I did. F You can never predict how important it may be to someone to have the choice of feeding your baby, and keeping them alive for months with tailored milk from your own body.

She is not a child - and having a trans identified child may be relevant to how Carney will respond on women's rights. However we dont know why he sent her to the Tavistock or how he feels about her declared identity. I feel for any parent who has to face dealing with a very confused teenager.

Child dont develop fully adult brains until they are 25, there s still a possibility that his child may grow out of it. If she has had surgery the adverse effects of that will increasingly become apparent to the poor girl and her family.

It's fashionable amongst young lesbians to use they/them pronouns. It's a fad, a social phenomena......She remains female......though, of course, I suspect we all know what to expect from Mark Carney on the issue. He'll just go along with the status quo when it comes to the 'trans' concept.

I'm also uncomfortable with bringing a politician's children into an argument, even when the child is an adult and has initiated the publicity. I believe politicians should be judged on what they do and say, not on what their children do and say.

And another thing that makes me uncomfortable: framing a challenge to a politician - even a challenge I disagree with - as anti democratic..

And the bat-shittery prize goes to....

The world has always got big problems, in the 70's we lived with the threat of nuclear annihilation, a common game during the boring hours in school, was fantasy 'what I'm going to do in my 4 minutes after the balloon goes up'. The government sent out pamphlets on how to survivor nuclear fallout, as I recalled it had something to do with putting mattresses up against the window's.

So when would it be a good time for women to fight to protect their hard won rights, once the NeoLeft have achieved their pie in the sky utopia?

I can't see anywhere in her essay that she ever went to GIDS. She was referred to the Tavistock for therapy and mentions the jealousy she felt at seeing other young people turn left toward GIDS and the possibility of medical treatment. This is all information she herself has put into the public sphere and at 24 she is an adult who has to cope with the consequences of having done so.

This is so true, it’s enraging and heartbreaking at the same time. My rage is aimed at the men who get off on this, or make money out of it.

This! Ffs OP read the room. The world is in crisis.

So women should put their needs aside until everything else is sorted.

Yes, I remember male comrades telling me that 50 years ago.

I said No then and I say it again now.

And why should one "have to cope with consequences" when decent people would just shut ip?

No one is saying that. FFS don't be so self-centred and dramatic.

This is a board that discussed gender issues. Lots of Canadian women post here and care very much about what Carney's views on this issue are.

None of the Canadian political parties are happy with the American rhetoric around Canada now, it's hardly a matter of MC is the only one who will look to oppose that. There is going to be an election soon, why wouldn't we want to know what we are voting for?

You sound like you are just spouting another version of, don't worry your heads about that women's rights stuff, there are REAL problems that are too hard for you to comprehend - just vote like you should like good little girls.

Why do you want to suppress discussion of the Canadian PMs views on women's issues?

It was written by the kid!

Or: keep at it OP, plenty of us are interested!

I keep being shocked that the left is now pro-globalism and pro-free trade. I am over being shocked about the pro-moving workers across borders , but that's another one that makes zero sense.

This.

Anyway, whatever his daughter was at the Tavistock for, I think it's known that he believes in gender ideology - I'm afraid I don't remember where I heard or read this but it's not news.

Whether he will keep it to himself is another question, I don't think he's stupid and he likely knows what kind of hot potato it could be.

My worry would be what he'd do after the election.

Thanks @TempestTost

I'm interested in hearing about Canadian politics and society from posters there, we don't hear that much about it in the UK, your neighbour tends to dominate the headlines for obvious reasons. It's good to hear about other countries' political situations and politicians from posters who actually live in those countries. Such a shame that some seem to want to shut the discussions down.

I'm not clued up on Canadian politics - if I was Canadian I'd be interested in whether any of their politicians could be trusted with women's rights or if they are all batshit on this issue. This is just an indicator of what his views might be.

I also dont appreciate anyone telling me there are bigger things to worry about - not harming children and not lying whenever your lips move are high on my list for politicians. Womens rights comes shortly after.

I'm not Canadian either, though I have a ton of family over there and keep up an interest.

My instinct FWIW is that I'd be surprised if Carney diverges much from established Trudeauism. But I think more to the point, I worry that the existence of Trump could magnify Canada's tendency to do silly things for the sole purpose of making Canada look more "progressive" than the Yanks. So a move to sanity south of the border might encourage Canada to double down. [1]

I'd love to be wrong about that.

[1] See also Scotland, Wales and Ireland, all of whom are capable of doing silly things to own the Sasanaigh.

There seem to be a number of posters on this thread who don't seem to be aware of the global battle currently raging for women's sex-based rights and against the impact of gender ideology on issues including gay rights and children's health. In this battle gender critical feminists have connected internationally. The UK and the USA appear to be returning to sanity while Canada, Australia and several European countries are still deep in the gender woo. Replacing sex with gender identity causes so many institutions to malfunction. Statistics are skewed, children and young adults are given damaging medical interventions, safeguarding in schools is abandoned. Helen Joyce has written about the impact on an organisation of even one of the management team having a trans identified child. It is extremely important to be able to talk about the leader of a country having a trans identified child if that is going to affect their policies. It could mean the Canadian government utterly failing to wake up to the damage that this ideology causes throughout a country's institutions.