UCU being taken to tribunal over discrimination for 'gc' views

[ArabellaScott]

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/gender-critical-documentary-makers-take-ucu-tribunal

The filmmakers of 'Adult Human Female' are taking UCU to tribunal.

I'll try to find an archive copy.

It's so ridiculous that you can have a protected characteristic if you are just thinking about transitioning!

It’s a female judge @Catabogus- she said that she didn’t expect the court to make findings on the “dog whistle” aspect of particular phrases so she implied it was a bit of a waste of time.

I think it demonstrates why having the pc of GR does not confer rights to use opposite sex services.

Thank you!

This is much the same as yesterday isn't it? Dog whistles, violence, MAGA, nazis, racists, and JKR some secret coded message for "massive transphobe"

Throwing the kind of shitty accusations you see from TRAs on social media, except it's at an employment tribunal! It's really all they have isn't it.

Same as AB89 yesterday, women and girls requesting safety, privacy, dignity, fair opportunity and being called nazis for it. No coherent argument, just straight up comparing young girls begging those in charge to make things right and fair, to the Holocaust.

For many of these Employment Tribunals I start thinking that they're about a specific set of events but when I hear the genderist side of things, and the principles advanced, I realise that if that side prevailed it would cause all kinds of significant problems.

Oh oops, somehow yesterday I got the impression the judge was a man. Thanks for clarifying. Sounds cautiously positive…

This is bullshit. So much of law is based around the concept of the ' reasonable man'!

So what how much this has cost!

But the message I posted says "...members at KCL and elsewhere who face harassment for their support of Palestinian rights". So not just about Rana Baker (if that's who you're referring to) - although I may have interpreted it too widely?

Anyway, it's clear that UCU supports the right to protest for the right causes but total repression for the wrong views. And the comparison above with a hypothetical screening of An Inconvenient Truth is an interesting one!

Counsel for UCU arguing that Wayne and O'Neill taking their case to the ET has the effect on chilling freedom of expression.

From Tribunal Tweets:

"TB: page 37 she says no issue with reasonable criticism of the film, or some protests. Who gets to decide what is reasonable vs unreasonable?"

At the point where viewers of the film are being escorted to the toilet by security, is it not clear that objection has been unreasonable?

Go Wayne! He is absolutely right - no one would be here today if UCU had been reasonable to start with

💪 to Wayne here

Bit of a strange argument that using your legal right to seek redress is a chilling effect

And I don't want to be unkind to the UCU man - but Wayne is running rings around him

So UCU is against employment tribunals now? 🤔

It only ever seems to be applied one way.

I genuinely laughed aloud when the respondent’s barrister was suggesting that to bring a claim to the tribunal might have a chilling effect on free speech. I really wanted the witness to say, nope, but hopefully a chilling effect on illegal discrimination...

Only if they relate to wrong opinions. ETs to unhold right opinions are essential.

I've read through the bundle and I'm honestly struggling to process it all.... The behaviour and communications between those branch 'officers' is shameful. Nothing more than organised bullying. And they knew it - which is why they didn't want to communicate with the membership fully.

That's a meme in the making there...

The UCU barrister has had plenty of time to prepare his questions yet they are all full of "ummms" & "aaahs" whereas the Professor Wayne is just far more articulate with his clear answers.

Looking forward to seeing NC in action

Weird argument here that because Wayne wasn't a member of the Edinburgh branch of UCU, he has no cause of complaint against UCU because the Edinburgh branch discriminated against him rather than the organisation as a whole. NC seems baffled too.