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Britain’s lost boys Sonia Sodha

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WarriorN · 09/03/2025 07:41

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/09/jobless-isolated-fed-misogynistic-porn-where-is-the-love-for-britains-lost-boys?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

I do agree but feel it's men who need to step up here

Boys either want to be women or are turning to Tate et al neither of which is ultimately good for women and girls. Victoria Smith has been saying similar recently.

If you're not into sport there's so few decent role models or movements for boys. From experience they go off track at a very young age too.

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WarriorN · 16/03/2025 11:52

Great points @AlexaAdventuress

as our safeguarding trainer says, it’s never the parents you want to attend who attend the online safety training

the tin men is an interesting character who’s trying to straddle the void as far as i can see.

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WarriorN · 16/03/2025 11:55

This man.

At the same time he’s at odds with a lot of feminist narratives as can be seen in that image which is tricky to square and I need to learn more about him

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WarriorN · 16/03/2025 12:07

His take on adolescence which I do agree with

https://x.com/thetinmenblog/status/1900489581071360196?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

“The level of craft within Netflix's new series 'Adolescence' is incredible, particularly Stephen Graham.

I wonder though, as the camera and grip teams rehearsed those hour long perfectly choreographed single takes, why did the research department put such little effort and good faith into understanding the core issue around which the programme is based?

I've never seen such meticulous effort in production, let down by shear laziness in R&D; whose meme level, myopic understanding of "the crisis of masculinity" just smashes together whatever soundbites and fist-shaking catchphrases they found on TikTok, with the usual level of pearl clutching.

Do they even realise that Andrew Tate and Incels are entirely different things, with the two holding nothing but utter resentment for one another?

Do they realise, that despite all the gun totting SWAT teams; running up stairs, and kicking down doors, the crisis of incels has never been one of counter terrorism, but one of mental health support?

Not to mention, nothing said or done about the no-less problematic "toxic" messaging being force fed to boys in school, by the state, which leaves so many adrift in a sea of red pill grifters.

Despite looking great, the whole thing comes across like another self-congratulatory circle wank, around which tone deaf celebrities can pat themselves on the back, wash their hands of accountability, and declare the whole thing, "a job well done".

Well, in my view, it isn't.

(Seriously though, the acting and production itself, is superb.)”

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SionnachRuadh · 16/03/2025 13:24

I often say this about Peterson, but when he first came on the scene I couldn't figure out why he was so controversial. His book was really just generic dad advice. It made sense that his core audience was lost young men who never got generic dad advice.

I think Mike Cernovich was pushing a similar message before he headed off into Trumpian political agitation - stop feeling sorry for yourself, exercise, eat properly, get a job, make yourself an attractive proposition.

We can tear down these male gurus, and lots of the criticism is warranted. But I think many young men need to hear advice from older men. They aren't going to turn their lives around because Helen Lewis deploys the Big Waggy Finger at them.

coronaway · 16/03/2025 13:24

I've heard the Tin Men on a few podcasts and thought it was a great insight into mens struggles. It really broadened my understanding on the sort of problems men have to deal with.

WarriorN · 16/03/2025 13:42

@SionnachRuadh that seems to be Tinmen’s philosophy. He’s very focused on father figures from the little I’ve just skimmed. He also reveres mother figures but makes the case more for father figures baring responsibility for boys’ development in the right way

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wonderpetsrus · 22/03/2025 08:05

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1od9KByZmQZiBztXn8HQbPgFMK6ichp7m/view not sure if link will work but af_english123 on X has made a glossary of terms that would be red flags if your kids are saying them

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