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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The norovirus media lot turning against identity politics.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 21/02/2025 20:26

x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1892623440303006067?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

We have always been at war with east Asia

x.com/aaronbastani/status/1892693501592084982?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

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FlowchartRequired · 21/02/2025 20:36

I couldn't play the video, I think it might have made me very cross, so maybe that's not a bad thing!

Igneococcus · 21/02/2025 20:39

Plenty of people have said "get a grip" just not the sort of people Ash would listen to.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 21/02/2025 20:41

FlowchartRequired · 21/02/2025 20:36

I couldn't play the video, I think it might have made me very cross, so maybe that's not a bad thing!

There are salad spinners involved...

But I support your decision not to watch it. I'm sure you get the gist.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 21/02/2025 20:41

Igneococcus · 21/02/2025 20:39

Plenty of people have said "get a grip" just not the sort of people Ash would listen to.

People have been screaming get a grip for the best part of a decade.

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ToBeOrNotToBee · 21/02/2025 20:45

Thank you for giving me a genuine belly laugh on what has been a bit of a shit day.

These people are just utterly hilariously tone deaf.

Crouton19 · 21/02/2025 20:57

Is she still mates with LOJ? He has perpetuated 'idpol' as much as anyone.

IllustratedDictionaryOfTheDoldrums · 22/02/2025 09:50

That's actually very funny. I've been wondering how all the various reverse ferrets are going to play out. Fascinating to watch it happening.

nauticant · 22/02/2025 10:18

Crouton19 · 21/02/2025 20:57

Is she still mates with LOJ? He has perpetuated 'idpol' as much as anyone.

I watched the whole lo-o-ong video and as I understood it, some of her criticisms would fit very well with having been about LOJ.

nauticant · 22/02/2025 10:20

By the way, this significant repositioning isn't even Sarkar's own idea. She's just aping what's been going on with those in the US with whom she's broadly aligned. They've been backing away from the Democrats as fast as they can manage to not get caught up in the miasma of defeat.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 22/02/2025 10:56

Remember when three gay men were murdered by a jihadi in a
park in Reading and Ash Sakar tweeted an unfortunate selfie taken in another park, which got a lot of negative attention online due to the fantastically poor timing and inappropriate facial expression (which would’ve been fine if she hadn’t tweeted it out exactly as the news of the murders broke on Twitter).

And how Sakar then went on a press junket talking about how she ‘an openly Muslim, brown woman on the left’ had been harmed by what she imagined to be ‘football hooligans’ who were ‘appropriating grief from the families of the dead’?

That was peak woke for me.
I’m amazed it’s taken Novara 4 and a bit more years to notice.

https://news.sky.com/story/khairi-saadallah-terrorist-who-murdered-three-in-brutal-reading-attack-gets-whole-life-sentence-12184977

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/reading-stabbings-muslim-journalist-death-22227933

(death threats are obviously never acceptable behaviour)

Merrymouse · 22/02/2025 11:11

I listened to the News Agents interview, and I don't think this is the reverse ferret it is being portrayed as.

A couple of years ago she might have talked about 'intersectionality' and 'inclusivity' to explain why e,g. women don't need sex specific rights. The difference here is that she is using right wing conservative language and talking about identity politics.

mrshoho · 22/02/2025 11:12

Well well! This is really quite satisfying.

Floisme · 22/02/2025 11:20

She has an article in Vogue this month about how her wedding was a Marxist act. Or something. Oh for the days when Vogue was about clothes.

I believe she also has a book coming out so I guess all publicity is good right now.

Igmum · 22/02/2025 13:21

Didn't want to give Ash Sarkar more publicity because they annoy the hell out of me but FFS. Some people will claim anything just anything

Holeinamole · 22/02/2025 15:16

She has a book to sell.

I wonder, though, if identity politics is bad, why should we listen to her now that her identity claims - feminine (as she doesn’t recognise sex but only gender), brown, Muslim, left - should not merit any extra attention?

And where have the pronouns and the “fucks like a champion” in her Twitter bio gone? Is that embarrassing now?
Get a grip, it was always embarrassing.

Floisme · 22/02/2025 15:23

Not wanting to generate more publicity but I have fond memories of Janice Turner's comment on Ash Sarkar's and Owen Jones's TV double act on election night 2019, when she described them as looking like a couple of teenagers who've burnt the house down while Mum and Dad are away.

RedToothBrush · 22/02/2025 15:42

Norovirus are politics as a fashion accessory. They have not got a fucking clue what they are talking about. They just jump on the passing bandwagon they seem to be 'hot right now'. This are the lot that insisted that they were talking about communism when the definition they gave was actually spot on neo-liberalism. They embody politics as consumerism.

So it comes to me as precisely no surprise, that they are suddenly like rats off the sinking ship. It's totally true to form.

Honest to god, they are devoid of any sort of morality. They are just devoted to what sells.

It'll be fascinating to see what bandwagon they all jump on post-Gaza. It won't be environmentalism. Been there done that. Got the t-shirt. They've done the LOJ worshipping with working classism for the middle classes. It'll probably be something anti-Musky like 'anti-corruption' where they pervasivelu go after grassroots groups in an attempt to 'hold power to account'.

RoamingGnome · 22/02/2025 15:46

Can someone explain the link/pun/whatever with norovirus please? I was expecting this thread to be about virology and now I'm confused.

Shortshriftandlethal · 22/02/2025 15:47

RoamingGnome · 22/02/2025 15:46

Can someone explain the link/pun/whatever with norovirus please? I was expecting this thread to be about virology and now I'm confused.

Novara media is the actual term.

Shortshriftandlethal · 22/02/2025 15:48

I see OJ is still cranking it out on Twitter......it's a one man anti Israel campaign these days. He hasn't gone over to blue sky...he couldn't survive without Twitter/X

mrshoho · 22/02/2025 16:02

She who not so long ago wrote that cutting her hair as a 16 year old without her parent's consent was akin to children today choosing to mutilate their bodies? 'You know whats the big deal parents, stop trying to tell your children what to do'. Hasn't an ounce of humility in her.

The norovirus media lot turning against identity politics.
nauticant · 22/02/2025 16:17

In what I saw, Sarkar seems to be willing to bin all kinds of stuff, but genderism? No, she still appears keen to push that.

Fenlandia · 22/02/2025 19:51

Does this mean we will no longer have access to the gender neutral toilet in Sarkar's house?

Abhannmor · 23/02/2025 04:07

Plenty of brown Muslim - and Hindu - leftists copped onto this years ago. Some have written articles on the subject. But they haven't got a book to sell. From watching Novara I'd hazard a guess that Aaron Bastani knows IDpol is a load of crap. Ash comes across S the Caitlin Moran of the far left I'm afraid

RoyalCorgi · 23/02/2025 12:35

nauticant · 22/02/2025 16:17

In what I saw, Sarkar seems to be willing to bin all kinds of stuff, but genderism? No, she still appears keen to push that.

Yes, you're right. Venice Allan has a clip of Ash talking disapprovingly about how media interviewers started to ask politicians the question "Can a woman have a penis?" Ash says her "research" shows the phrase "Women don't have penises" was coined by Allan:

https://x.com/roseveniceallan/status/1893614072228172249

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