Columbine copycat in Edinburgh - what does 'transgender' mean in reporting?

[OhBuggerandArse]

The reporting on the BBC has been very clear that he is a boy, but also says that he is transgender. Is this a male who they are calling male, or an FTM?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3w1pg65wz7o

It's weird though, to see all these articles saying "boy" and "he". There are lots of news articles about transwomen, in which I mentally switch "she" to "he", while thinking NOT A WOMAN!!! But it doesn't happen so often the other way round. Really though, NOT A BOY!!!

Sorry, I should have been more explicit, Edinburgh only had mixed sex secure units.

I was on the Children’s Panel, the legal system for children. Panels of 3, always a mixture of men and women, would hear from the child who was deemed to be possibly in need of compulsory measures of care and any of their family, social worker, teachers etc who might be relevant and make a decision. Decisions could include sending the child to a secure unit. Places were scarce. There were only two secure units then.

I have worried since about what has happened and whether a child could be faced by a panel with no biological female at all.

Women's (potential) crimes being laid on men!

I just wish they would stop pretending in the media, and use pronouns naturally as we all used to. It's really confusing, and it's usually women who are affected unfairly.

This is a real concern in today‘s climate. How can we find out?

“Since 2006 there have been 589 mass shooters who killed at least four victims,” says Fox, who presides over the Associated Press/USA TODAY/Northeastern University Mass Killings Database, the most extensive data source on the subject. “Of those shooters, 33 were women.”

This is farcical. If the young person is under 18, they do not have a GRC and therefore should be identified according to their biological sex. As it stands we have no fucking idea whether this is a boy who identifies as a girl or vice versa… which is the impact of all of this stuff. Language no longer has any meaning and we have no idea who this report is talking about. Total insanity!!

I'd be very interested to know who many mass shooters in the US who are trans are male and how many are female. My guess is that the females will be significantly more than the roughly 5% female that is found in the non-trans grouping.

IANAL, so would not be confident to say there are no parts of regulations or something else that affects the legislation. However I have extracted from the legislation what I think is relevant.

The Children's Hearings (Scotland) Act 2011 is the most recent legislation I can see.

Section 5 states that “A children's hearing consists of three members of the Children's Panel selected in accordance with section 6 for the purpose of carrying out functions conferred on a children's hearing by virtue of this Act or any other enactment.

Section 6 says: (3)The National Convener must ensure that the children's hearing— (a)F1so far as practicable,] includes both male and female members of the Children's Panel

F1 an addition for Covid.

I don’t see any definition of “male” or “female”, so I fear it is open to interpretation.

The Children’s Hearing website, www.chscotland.gov.uk, has a Resources section which includes EDI stuff. The whole Hearing system seems to be a Public Board. It is not clear to me whether each panel conducting a hearing counts as a Public Board.

It would take someone more knowledgable than me to unravel all the implications of interacting legalities.

It's really odd, that, isn't it?

[scratches chin]

I don't like the 'he' either, but at least they put

The student, who was born female but identifies as a boy

at the top of the story, so there's no attempt to deceive the reader.

They haven't done that in any of the reports except the Times one though. The BBC says 'boy' and 'he' all the way through but then adds that there is a transgender identity (but not what it is), the ITV one just says boy and doesn't even include a mention of transgender. It is not honest, factual reporting, and most people won't realise what the subtext means.

This young woman didn't need testosterone and lies, she needed medical support to get well.

Not watertight, as you say, in this world as it currently is. Unfortunately.

Sadly, that the BBC for you, these days, OP. And ITV no better.

It's impossible discern sex when reporting is gender based. A 'transgender' identity could mean 'non binary', or 'cake gender ' or anything the fuck at all.

It would be more honest to not use any words to describe sex/gender.

This fudge is deliberately misleading.

This! I heard the statement on R4 news and thought is this lawyer saying that being trans means you get special treatment when you threaten to go on a killing spree??

@Areolaborealis Unfortunately the SNP brought in a failed (under a section 33 order upheld in crt) rights of the child bill that enshrines amongst many other ridiculous things the right to an education (one of the few rights under the bill that i agreed with though am now sceptical about it) for everyone under 19, and much like the failed grr bill the SNP have carried on as if it was law. So even though this child was under suspicion of planning a school shooting and he/she was over the school leaving age and age of legal emancipation (16 in Scotland) he/she had to be educated with a college being deemed the most appropriate/least dangerous, as most students would be adults so not his/her chosen targets, or so the risk assessment will say (plausible denighability for the inevitable headlines if it goes wrong).
Whilst I know that I sound a bit like a conspiracy nut once you see the pattern of politics and policy under the SNP you can't miss it everywhere (look at the named person act (ended by judicial review)) add to that the fact that under the SNP they shut parents out of decisions about anything medical, trans and even sexual assault/abuse on the say so of the child (or if they just cant be bothered to contact you as the whole system including flu vaccine consent cuts you out) from 14 onwards due to presumed gillikic competency (even when you have a cognitive assessment by the NHS that says otherwise) which doesn't even work the way they imply it does and you've had to start crt proceedings against your child's school/education department because their presumed gillikic competency almost killed your child for them to agree to keep you in the loop, you can't unsee it.

Sorry about the rant but I've just had it with the fucking SNP bullshit. I do hope it will open some eyes and suggest that anyone interested look up @rogd on X (I think she's on here) and you can see how far this SNP overreach has gone

Yes, and awful as that statement sounds, doesn't it it equally then concede that a trans identity is some kind of psychopathy, an illness, that should be taken into account?

What terrible reporting by the BBC, call in the individual not just “he” but “a boy”.

akin to when they called the male murderer Scarlet Blake “a woman” with no prefix either

It's either a mental disorder or not, they can't have it both ways.

Can they?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints

https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/data-protection-and-journalism/complaining-to-ofcom/#:~:text=If%20you%20wish%20to%20complain,Textphone%20number%2018001%2001925%20650744

It's a phase because it's possible to get through it whenever the person wants to (or feels able to). It's called 'detransitioning' but it's just the end of a non-logical idea.

I wondered whether that was code for “this is really a mentally ill girl, but I can’t say so, so that needs to be taken into account when deciding on custody arrangements”.

Edinburgh city council is hugely captured, which has influences the schools which are also captured.

I wonder whether this case will be discussed as a “near miss” by councillors and the healthcare professionals at gender clinics.