Columbine copycat in Edinburgh - what does 'transgender' mean in reporting?

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The reporting on the BBC has been very clear that he is a boy, but also says that he is transgender. Is this a male who they are calling male, or an FTM?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3w1pg65wz7o

'Ms McCall KC told the court: "This is a vulnerable young person. He has mental health difficulties.
"He is a transgender person - that would need to be taken into account."'

Yes. It does need taken into account.

The STV report doesn’t mention transgender at all..just ‘vulnerable’. It would be a turn up for the books if it turned out really to be a boy.

I also assume trans identifying female teenager because of the BBCs policy of using preferred pronouns.

If so, it look like a worry trend developing, thinking about some of the more recent school shootings in the US.

The Times makes it explicit 🥺

https://archive.is/SrDKv

In which case, what on earth is the BBC playing at with all the ‘hes’ and ‘boys’?! Totally betraying their duty to provide clarity.

Thank you.

The Times: 'The student, who was born female but identifies as a boy, “idolised” the killers behind the Columbine High School massacre in Colorado in the United States in 1999, in which 12 students and a teacher were shot dead.'

The BBC really needs to get a bloody grip on reality.

This is not a boy. It's a girl. A seventeen year old child, who cannot get a GRC.

And is clearly mentally unstable.

Why the FUCK are they using requested pronouns to fuel this delusion?

She obviously identifies as a murderous school shooter, too, but thankfully this particular identification was not affirmed.

reddit suggests Royal High

https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/1iuuanj/bbc_news_teenager_plotted_mass_shooting_like/

What happened to this girl- only 14/15 at the time- to make them behave this way, have these murderous obsessions. So unusual in females 🤔

I don't know, but I'd be interested to know how many school shootings have ever been carried out by natal born girls.

More than one in the US has been carried out by a biological female who identifies as a man.

Both sex and transgender status are so important. Testosterone and blockers can cause mental health deterioration and psychosis. So yes, it matters if the perpetrator is female. And it matters if they are on meds, prescribed or self-acquired. Where is this stuff recorded, studied? Obfuscation is so unhelpful.

The question is, have there been any female school shooters who did NOT id as trans? Cases like this just underline how it is imperative to collect data on both sex and gender ID.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/natalie-rupnow-madison-wisconsin-school-shooting-b2665496.html

'Data from advocacy group Everytown for Gun Safety finds that women constitute less than five percent of assailants across 544 school shooting incidents over the past 11 years.
Of the 197 shooting incidents in the Violence Prevention Project database of mass shootings since 1966, 192 of the shooters were male, four were female, and one was transgender. White men made up the majority of perpetrators, according to the database.'

However, I think the way they count shooting incidents in the US is a bit odd - sometimes I think they stipulate a minimum number of fatalities before its recorded as a mass shooting.

Thank you. The more factual data we can access, the better chance we have of spotting any patterns, whatever they may be.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/most-mass-school-shootings-are-not-carried-out-by-transgender-people-2024-09-06/

Thanks.

And of course, the absence of a particular pattern is also impossible to prove without appropriate data!

The stats are very woolly, tbh. Depends how you count shootings, how you record 'gender' (or sex) and whether you record 'gender identity'.

'The GVA database records , opens new tab a total of 50 mass school shootings since 2012, meaning that one in 50, or 2% of the total was associated with a transgender suspect.
Limiting the search to the past two years yields one in 20, or 5%, of mass school shootings involving a transgender suspect.
Similarly, a 2023 report
, opens new tab on mass attacks in public spaces from 2016 through 2020 by the National Threat Assessment Center showed only three of the 180 attackers, or 2%, were transgender (page 19). "Only one of these three carried out their attack at a K-12 school," Alexandria Worley, a spokesperson for the U.S. Secret Service, said in an email.'

According to this, 1% of the US population is trans.

https://usafacts.org/articles/what-percentage-of-the-us-population-is-transgender/

Or 5%

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/06/07/about-5-of-young-adults-in-the-u-s-say-their-gender-is-different-from-their-sex-assigned-at-birth/

Who knows?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/30/data-is-clear-there-is-no-clear-epidemic-transgender-mass-shooters/

I think starting the data analysis from 2012 is disingenuous and skews the stats. This is potentially a much more recent phenomenon

Well, there's another variable to consider.

Back in the 90s secure units for children were mixed sex. I don’t know how it is now.

WaterThyme · Today 20:54

Back in the 90s secure units for children were mixed sex. I don’t know how it is now.

I was in care 1984-1986 and the home I was in had a secure wing for girls only. The main home was mixed, with a girl's wing and a boys wing for bedrooms.

The local serious secure home was Aycliffe (Newton Aycliffe) and it had a main unit for boys, with a small wing for girls. I don't know if it's still operational.

Ah thanks for that.

I was thinking that maybe all the news reports I'd seen didn't actually know.

Yes, there was the girl referenced in "I don't like Mondays." I forget the details, other than that her father had given her a gun for her birthday, but you can google it if you want.