In quite the turnaround Scottish Labour say the support Sandie Peggie, and would not support the GRR bill "knowing what they know now"!

[GargoylesofBeelzebub]

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FFS. What is different now? It's not as if they weren't told over and over again what the consequences would be. 🙄

@Scout2016 Shouldn’t have read your post before going to sleep!
Now I have random lines from ‘Oh what a circus, oh what a show’ going round my head!

Contact your Labour Councilors, MPs and MSPs and congratulate Sarwar for seeing sense and discovering biology is real. Great they are now denouncing the SNP. However reverse ferreting is not enough.

1 Demand apologies for Claire Baker and Carol Mochan MSPs who were demoted by Labour for breaking the party whip and voting against the Bill. Also request apologies to other Labour women like Anne Henderson and Johann Lamont [a former leader of Scottish Labour] who were ignored and to JK Rowling and the countless other women who wouldn't wheesht . They were right all along admit it.

2 - Sarwar should call out Unison for their recent sexist nonsense. Great you now criticise the SNP but it goes deeper than that.

Ex-fucking-zactly. Thank you, IwantToRetire.

"They are the ones who wrote the SSE and think it is acceptable to tell biological women they have to show why it is proportionate for them to have Single Sex Services.
Women as a sex are the only protected characteristic who have had their characteristic demoted in relation to someone said by a certificate to be something they physically aren't. This erosion of the concept of a protected characterisic is not and would never be accepted in relation say to race or disability."

ForWomenScotland will be presenting at the Scottish Labour conference!

That's positive but I still wonder what the reaction will be from delegates - many will be members or representatives of trade unions including unison.

"Pam Duncan-Glancy MSP: 'where would a trans woman go if she didn’t want to
use a gender neutral toilet because she was worried she may out herself?'"

For FUCK's sake!

And he played right into NCs hands. It was delicious.

I wonder if it's sinking in for him yet how much of an impact he has had on public perception?

“Oooh I didn’t realise letting all men into all women’s spaces would let in rapists, paedophiles, voyeurs, exhibitionists and other sex predators. Noooo, who could possibly have guessed that? Even when told explicitly by numerous people?”

I have to be glad when politicians stop doing a terribly harmful thing. But I’m not going to thank them.

Quite possibly he's only read things in his bubble, like r/transgender, and so thinks he's a hero and a poor vulnerable flower that deserves "treats".

The 'poor vulnerable flower' who wept and had to be helped to a Hansom outside his car after being spoken to sternly by SP was magically replaced by an argumentative, sneery, arrogant, disrespectful bloke when it came to the tribunal.
If there was any doubt about him being a bloke, his attitude and behaviour were a dead giveaway.

Oi! I object! 😃

But yeah.

"Pam Duncan-Glancy MSP: 'where would a trans woman go if she didn’t want to
use a gender neutral toilet because she was worried she may out herself?'"

Men should not be disguising their sex to the point where children, girls and women either can't recognise it, or are not allowed to say so, ffs. Where is the bloody safeguarding??

With the fervent encouragement of politicians up to the point where those men are given access to vulnerable women and children in order to shore it all up!

This entire thing kicked off because transactivists persuaded politicians that a man could successfully disguise himself as a woman to the point of undetectability, and therefore his right to a private life depended his not outing himself.

The disparity between protecting the privacy of at most, what, three men? at the expense of all women and girls, is fucking unbelievable.

This entire thing kicked off because transactivists persuaded politicians that a man could successfully disguise himself as a woman to the point of undetectability, and therefore his right to a private life depended his not outing himself.

YY. This is absolutely key.

"This entire thing kicked off because transactivists persuaded politicians that a man could successfully disguise himself as a woman to the point of undetectability, and therefore his right to a private life depended his not outing himself.

The disparity between protecting the privacy of at most, what, three men? at the expense of all women and girls, is fucking unbelievable."

legal people: after the Goodwin case did politicians have any choice?

I agreee though - fucking unbelievable.

There is even more publicity of this in Scotland, and people will have stronger opinions on the MSPs who are being forced to make some sort of statement (of the "process must be followed" type even though the process is still being abused).

It really is disgusting that his private life was to be protected by sacrificing the privacy of all women.

Talk about unintended consequences of a law.

Of course, now I think it's entirely intended.

Intended by transactivists and not noticed by sexist politicians

sorry, that was in response to Merrymouse

Why would they be worried about "outing" themselves if they really believed they were women?

Of course, now I think it's entirely intended.

Intended by transactivists and not noticed by sexist politicians

Yep.

It's gobbledygook.

Gender neutral is just that. Mixed sex.

You're far more likely to be outed in the women's. Stand out like a bloody sore thumb

I'm chortling mirthlessly at the idea that Scottish Labour have finally grasped that their previous position might be a vote loser, what with the 2026 Holyrood elections just round the corner.

Yes, I'm sure that what voters in Scotland really want is a bunch of people who have just admitted that they didn't understand the implications of the legislation they actually voted on, and have changed their position now because, more than two years later, they have finally grasped the consequences of something they were too fucking lazy or stupid to understand at the time.

I haven't followed this but saw a headline on my phone on regret

Good. Also pathetic we had to fight for it for so long.

But is there any policy change in the offing yet?

Given the story linked to by @ArabellaScott on another thread, it looks like Labour have found a really big stick to beat the SNP with.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24947792.gray-full-confidence-nhs-fife-amid-sandie-peggie-row/

But speaking to journalists after his event, Mr Gray refused to say whether he backed Ms Peggie.
He instead called for public bodies to respect ministerial guidance on protecting both single-sex spaces and trans rights.

he doesn't know what's going on. Clueless.

https://x.com/lnmackenzie1/status/1892182521623826943

From Lisa MacKenzie of MBM:

'You are leader of a political party at Holyrood. A former leader, a former deputy presiding officer and former chair of the public audit committee (all loyal members of your party) warn you about the glaring inadequacies of a piece of legislation before the Scottish Parliament.'

'Do you listen to them and take seriously the concerns they are bringing to you door?'

'Apparently not.'

[pics of Johann Lamont, Jenny Marra, and Elaine Smith]

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/4058962/keir-starmer-gender/

And a reminder of the two Labour MSPs who resigned rather than support the GRR Bill.

'Mid Scotland and Fife MSP Claire Baker and her party colleague Carol Mochan both quit their frontbench roles in order to vote against the gender recognition bill.'