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In quite the turnaround Scottish Labour say the support Sandie Peggie, and would not support the GRR bill "knowing what they know now"!

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/02/2025 14:51

x.com/holyroodsources/status/1891851822278590711?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

FFS. What is different now? It's not as if they weren't told over and over again what the consequences would be. 🙄

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fromorbit · 23/02/2025 15:28

Starmer comments on Peggie. Pretty standard:

Catriona Stewart
I asked Keir Starmer about the Sandie Peggie case.

He said he’s not “across all the details” but “I do believe the government supports safe spaces for women and the Equality act, and I think the government should follow the law. I think that is straightforward."

https://x.com/CatrionaStewart/status/1893634325779734706

Should have asked if he supported Sarwar's u turn.

fromorbit · 23/02/2025 15:32

MurrayBlackburnMackenzie

Our response to comments made earlier today by the Prime Minister about the Sandie Peggie case and the Equality Act 2010 as put to the PM by
Catriona Stewart

fromorbit · 23/02/2025 15:35

Herald - Keir Starmer dodges question on clarifying equality act
https://archive.is/wr5cP#selection-1627.0-1627.55

Other articles in Express and Scotsman on this say roughly the same.

Greyskybluesky · 23/02/2025 15:37

SINGLE SEX SPACES fgs Keir

"safe spaces" are important obviously, but different

NotAComputerPerson · 23/02/2025 16:01

fromorbit · 23/02/2025 15:35

Herald - Keir Starmer dodges question on clarifying equality act
https://archive.is/wr5cP#selection-1627.0-1627.55

Other articles in Express and Scotsman on this say roughly the same.

But I'm aware of things, but I don't know every twist and turn in the case. And I do believe the government should enforce safe spaces for women and the Equality Act, and I think the government should follow the law. I think that's straightforward”

Still doing the “safe spaces” dodge. Apparently the other “twist and turn” he doesn’t know is that women pay close attention to what’s said and are not taken in by linguistic game playing.

The UK Gov’s position appears to be that the Equality Act gives males both the right to i) demand access to opposite sex spaces and ii) refuse to disclose if they have a GRC when demanding that access. That’s the version of the Act which Starmer wants to enforce, presumably. Whilst simultaneously deploying the “safe spaces” dodge, in attempt to divert the discussion away from women’s right to female-only spaces and onto claims that women who want privacy are alleging that their male colleagues are a danger to them - basically laying the ground for the same lines of argument that Upton deployed in the tribunal when he alleged he’d been compared to a rapist.

Floisme · 23/02/2025 16:35

I cannot believe Starmer's still trying to fob us off with talk of 'safe spaces'.
Just how stupid does he think we are?

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2025 17:21

Starmer's waiting for the dust to settle over Scottish Labour.

maltravers · 23/02/2025 18:32

fromorbit · 23/02/2025 15:28

Starmer comments on Peggie. Pretty standard:

Catriona Stewart
I asked Keir Starmer about the Sandie Peggie case.

He said he’s not “across all the details” but “I do believe the government supports safe spaces for women and the Equality act, and I think the government should follow the law. I think that is straightforward."

https://x.com/CatrionaStewart/status/1893634325779734706

Should have asked if he supported Sarwar's u turn.

It’s not “safe spaces” you weasel. It’s “single sex spaces” - ie no penises.

duc748 · 23/02/2025 18:37

and I think the government should follow the law.

You are the government, pal.

IwantToRetire · 23/02/2025 21:24

Waitwhat23 · 23/02/2025 11:03

At this point, Sandy Brindley of RCS remains in post, the Scottish Government have not yet (I'm told) met with the board of ERCC following the damning independent review. The funding guidelines for rape crisis services remains the same as previously. Despite public outcry and claims that everything will be reviewed, the SG continue on their merry way.

The SPS policy still allows for violent males to be placed in the female prison estate despite the outcry over Isla Bryson.

Schools across Scotland continue to present children with ideological driven nonsense as part of PSHE despite public outcry over the information harvested from children during their lessons.

Women are still having to argue about the definition of women in court.

And of course, NHS Scotland.

The Scottish Government will continue to nod and say gravely 'oh yes, lessons will be learned' and then continue with what they're doing because they could not give one single fuck.

Apologies are meaningless. There needs to be a clean house.

I started another thread about what is happening in Scotland.

Why I thought starting it was because it is about the Women's Sector in Scotland celebrating an agreed approach to Equality and Human Rights as guidance for those working in the Sector.

Wont bother with the details but they have produced a hierarchy of oppression and needless to say TW are more oppressed than (cis) women. So if this is now the acceptance guide lines for women working in the Women's Sector in Scotland it isn't just about ERCC, which illustrates where these guidelines lead you, but about the whole sector.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5279613-womens-sector-in-scotland-hr-policy-framework-prioritising-trans-women

So if women aren't seen by women working in the women's sector as being vulnerable is it any wonder that Labour has this approach. ie they could call on any number of women, validated by the work in the sector to say that TW take priority.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 23/02/2025 21:59

maltravers · 23/02/2025 13:14

The point of offering a golden bridge is purely pragmatic. It’s not about being kind to those who wish to change position, it’s about ensuring you have more people on your side when it comes to a vote/battle etc. Otherwise if it’s a fight to the death, they will continue to vote/fight against you.

No golden bridge:
A slice of cake
An expired conviction
An affair

Golden bridge:
Destroying women's rights and safety

They'll keep on doing it because there are no electoral or reputational consequences, they can rely on us to be good little support animals who'll forgive them no matter how badly they treat half the population. If we can't stand up for ourselves, can we at least stand up for our daughters?

Waitwhat23 · 23/02/2025 22:25

IwantToRetire · 23/02/2025 21:24

I started another thread about what is happening in Scotland.

Why I thought starting it was because it is about the Women's Sector in Scotland celebrating an agreed approach to Equality and Human Rights as guidance for those working in the Sector.

Wont bother with the details but they have produced a hierarchy of oppression and needless to say TW are more oppressed than (cis) women. So if this is now the acceptance guide lines for women working in the Women's Sector in Scotland it isn't just about ERCC, which illustrates where these guidelines lead you, but about the whole sector.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5279613-womens-sector-in-scotland-hr-policy-framework-prioritising-trans-women

So if women aren't seen by women working in the women's sector as being vulnerable is it any wonder that Labour has this approach. ie they could call on any number of women, validated by the work in the sector to say that TW take priority.

Sometimes I wish there was a WTAF reaction button on here. That chart is just pish. And of course misses out various categories of vulnerabilities.

Washinghanginginthesun · 23/02/2025 22:29

IwantToRetire · 23/02/2025 21:24

I started another thread about what is happening in Scotland.

Why I thought starting it was because it is about the Women's Sector in Scotland celebrating an agreed approach to Equality and Human Rights as guidance for those working in the Sector.

Wont bother with the details but they have produced a hierarchy of oppression and needless to say TW are more oppressed than (cis) women. So if this is now the acceptance guide lines for women working in the Women's Sector in Scotland it isn't just about ERCC, which illustrates where these guidelines lead you, but about the whole sector.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5279613-womens-sector-in-scotland-hr-policy-framework-prioritising-trans-women

So if women aren't seen by women working in the women's sector as being vulnerable is it any wonder that Labour has this approach. ie they could call on any number of women, validated by the work in the sector to say that TW take priority.

EHRC? The Equality Act is clear there is no hierarchy of characteristics

IwantToRetire · 23/02/2025 23:51

EHRC? The Equality Act is clear there is no hierarchy of characteristics

Well thry did write to NHS Fife sp maybe they can write to "Wise Women" Scotland!

Waitwhat23 · 24/02/2025 17:26

This made me snigger (from https://x.com/Lauralols/status/1894008035326001596)

Sophie Molly/Sparkles/whothefuckknows has of course launched yet another public demand which I'm sure will be given the respect it deserves.

In quite the turnaround Scottish Labour say the support Sandie Peggie, and would not support the GRR bill "knowing what they know now"!
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