Police using they/them pronouns for schoolgirl rapist

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98yjp5nzglo.amp

The BBC are also using they/them pronouns. Is this something that’s required by IPSO?

He’s also proving that sexual offenders escalate, having previously received a community order for voyeurism.

IPSO and the BBC are not fit for purpose.

What's the argument for not using them?

Truth, facts and accuracy. A child has been raped by this man yet she has to watch the police and BBC pander to his demands about his identity.
He committed the male crime of rape and violence against a girl. He's a male sexual predator.

That BBC article says the rapist 'identifies as transgender'. What does that mean in this case? The rapist is still presenting as a man, using a man's name, and raping a girl is by definition a male crime. Let's hope the rapist is treated like one in prison.

How about: Who gives a fuck what pronouns a rapist wishes to have used about them?

Well said. I would have liked but don't have the option.

Other than the FACT that this is very very clearly a MALE person, there's also that whole not being worthy of any form of respect because he is a filthy despicable paedophile thing. He will hopefully be imprisoned for a very long time where he will hopefully have a truly awful time and he will learn a very important lesson about why raping children is a bad thing to do.

He is a man, he is not a woman, he is also as worthy of respect as a piece of shit on the bottom of a well worn shoe.

Just an extra bit of control that the rapist can exert over his victim.

In this case supported by the BBC
Nothing to see here
Be kind

How many times have a read a crime report (not just on the BBC, but all kinds of media), and thought, I have no idea from reading this what the sex of this person is. How can that be acceptable?

Although in this case the headline leaves no doubt
'Rapist jailed for attacking girl walking to school'

I saw this a few days ago. I think I posted something on the 'it never happens thread'. The little addendum the BBC added at the end, the Police said he uses 'they/them', just makes it worse imo. The BBC doesn't own their own decision to pander to this rapist. Instead blame the Police. For the avoidance of doubt the Police are shit for doing it too.

'Update 7th February: This article has been updated to make clear that police said Oliver Smith uses they/them pronouns.'

Which is fine but then there's no reason the BBC should feel obligated to 'respect' the preferences of a convicted rapist. I can understand why they may want to do so before conviction but not for someone jailed for a specifically male crime. Maybe they should think about victim impact?

If Oliver Smith identified as an Earl and expected the police to refer to him as My Lord/His Lordship, would they respect that? Why not? Why this?

Third person pronouns are not used in direct speech to the person specifying them. To attempt to control how others refer to you is a form of compelled speech. This man identifies as non-binary, which is a nonsense in itself, since we are all either male or female and cannot change that. He has been convicted of a crime which only those born male can commit, since it requires the possession of a penis. It really matters that language not be distorted in this way.

Rapist equals male. HTH.

I am not being funny here, but this is the fourth or fifth case of a trans identified man being found guilty of rape/abuse in the last 10 days alone. Given that we know how appalling the conviction rate for rape is, and that trans people make up less than 1% of the population as a whole, when and how can we do the math here? What evidence would we need to show that TW don't just pose the same risk as men, but they are possibly as a whole, a higher risk group? Given we are now being asked to accept TW in single sex spaces, I think we have a right to ask this really difficult question.

Because he's a rapist, therefore has a penis, therefore is a bloke. It's not hard.

How can the police / the courts / the BBC tell that the 'they them' identity is not part of a mental condition linked to the carrying out the crime? - 'It's not me, it is they / them'
If it is then are they confirming and encouraging the attacker by their actions?

I can't believe this post 😳

Because if you don't treat anyone and everyone with the utmost respect, you're absolutely vilified. It's a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't. The only thing I'd say is, no police officer will have respect for the man, regardless of what pronouns they're having to use.

And? Does the pronoun affect the outcome? No.

This is a crime where the sex of the man and the sex of the victim are at the core of the crime. He raped her as he is a male sexually attracted to women. The sex of the offender and perpetrator does matter in this case.

It distorts reality when men commits crimes, especially when their sex is integral to the crime, to use pronouns which pretend the man was not a man.

Its also repulsive and insulting and disrespectful to the victim to pretend this man was not a man.

it shows how morally degraded gender ideology is, that its proponents pretend not to understand all of this.

This:
Pronouns Are Rohypnol

Preferred pronouns:
She pushed open the door to the women's changing room and looked around for an empty spot among all the women getting undressed. She found a space, went over to it and took her clothes off.

Sex-accurate pronouns:
He pushed open the door to the women's changing room and looked around for an empty spot among all the women getting undressed. He found a space, went over to it and took his clothes off.

Think!

Reporting needs to be accurate. That's the politest answer I can muster.

As well as not kowtowing to a rapist, imo using they/them pronouns gives legitimacy to a load of rubbish. I can understand using opposite sex pronouns, whether I agree with it or not. Non-binary is made-up and has no basis in reality whatsoever.