Police using they/them pronouns for schoolgirl rapist

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98yjp5nzglo.amp

The BBC are also using they/them pronouns. Is this something that’s required by IPSO?

He’s also proving that sexual offenders escalate, having previously received a community order for voyeurism.

All of this.

Yes it does.

It's about power and control over women and authority.

This regardless of the outcome of the court case it affects the outcome in terms of trust in the police, the media and how women feel.

The use of pronouns is partly about domination over women and the legitimisation of misogyny as being structural and accepted by society.

The fact we have to explain that rape is a crime of power and control in 2025 - and it's not just about a victim - but also about promoting fear amongst other women is just extraordinary.

Why do you think rape is used systematically in war? It's not about sexual gratification. And the same is true of it as a general crime in society.

And what about all the other broadcasters and newspapers who use female pronouns for rapists?

Are they unfit for purpose too? The Daily Mail, The Times, Sky News, Channel 4 News, etc. etc. etc?

Maybe they are defending the Post-Truth World. Post-Truth being more important than actual deeds.

There are stats from an official source (NAO?) showing that TW are massively over represented in sexual offence crimes. I haven't got the stats to hand atm, I shall come back later unless one of our coven has them handy and can pop them up sooner.

Yes. Any media outlet that uses female pronouns for rapists is unfit for purpose. If they lie about something so fundamental how can they possibly be trusted on anything else?

He's a man who carried out the most male of crimes.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/hospital-dismissed-claim-of-rape-by-trans-attacker-bssxvbqch

Have a read of the linked article. Then come back and explain whether or not you think correctly sexing the perpetrator (not misgendering) has an impact on the victims of sexual crime committed by males or not, including whether it is recorded as a crime or not in the first place.
Please apply some critical thinking and honest reasoning.

What's the argument for not using them?

That would be because I don't dance round the whims and demands of rapists, or misogynists. Hope that helps.

It’s also interesting that it took you four attempts at rewording this post.
You clearly think language, and it’s clarity, is important when communicating with others and that you need to be precise, so they understand exactly what you mean.

Language is indeed important, words matter. They should be accurate when describing a crime and the perpetrator of that crime.

Approximate genitalia?? What does that mean?

How can something be 'approximate' and 'clearly indicate'd?

There's also the element of men claiming to be trans for special treatment.

And likely some very messed up and confused individuals who think they are trans.

I don't understand why the trans community isn't up in arms about this as it risks damaging the perception of the vast majority of trans people who just want to be accepted for who they are without treading on other people's rights.

I don't understand why the trans community isn't up in arms about this as it risks damaging the perception of the vast majority of trans people who just want to be accepted for who they are without treading on other people's rights.

Because the only thing the transgender 'community' have in common is the belief that men should get what they want, regardless of whether they have discarded or adopted that label.

An ideology based upon individual beliefs, and requiring constant external validation from everybody, regardless of others' individual beliefs, has no coherency and therefore no true community. Not community in the sense of people supporting each other.

5 or 6 years ago, when old-style, maximally-transitioned trans people started objecting to some of the behaviours of the new-style, minimally-transitioned people claiming trans identities, the newbies ripped into the oldies, calling them Truscum.

What's the argument for using pronouns which don't match sex for a convicted rapist?

What on earth is the point of insisting someone calls this person 'they/them' when they've committed a crime which makes his sex crystal clear, and also makes a mockery of any pretence that his 'gender identity' is of any relevance to anyone else - theres nothing 'gender neutral' let alone stereotypically 'feminine' about his crime ffs.

Poor attempt at obfuscation. Must try harder.

What is approximate genitalia anyway? Half a cock? Something that resembles a chipolata?

What's the argument that this sentence is in any way relevant?:

Smith, who identifies as transgender and who police said uses they/them pronouns

Maybe they should think about victim impact?

Exactly. The BBC by doing this are siding with the rapist over his victim.

We already know they're a misogynistic piece of shit organisation.

It's quite easy to just avoid pronouns altogether, which would be more even handed. But no, just abuse the poor girl more BBC by showing how you're willing to bend over backwards for him, why don't you.

Don't know why I'm surprised from the organisation that enabled Savile.

Exactly this. If the child says a man raped her, and the police & legal establishment won't let her say that, or acknowledge the perpetrator is male, then her case is undermined from the outset. It is essential to be able to state facts in law, not subvert them.

Imagine being the person on this thread who's arguing for the demands of the rapist and kidnapper of a young girl.
What must they see when they look in the mirror ?

Smiling virtue looking back, no doubt.

This attempt at gaslighting is pathetic. 🙄

Where rape is concerned there is no "approximate" about the male penis that committed the crime. Third person pronouns in English refer to sex, not gender, which is why they can be used to refer to animals such as our neutered tomcat. His genitalia have been removed, but his sex is in every cell of his body, as you well know.

The idea that we should be blind to sex surrounding a crime which is based on sexual violence is utterly bonkers.

It leads us down the route of failing to see and recognise patterns of sexual violence by males against females.

That risks MORE of that crime rather than reducing it, because you can't see the root causes of the crime.