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AliceNutterWasAWoman · 02/02/2025 15:02

EmpressaurusKitty · 02/02/2025 15:01

It would have been far better if the democrats had done what Trump’s doing about gender ideology.

But they didn’t.

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themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 02/02/2025 15:06

Talkinpeace · 02/02/2025 14:40

Please read up on the next stages of Project 2025
so that you are not surprised when they happen
https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-14.pdf

Trump has repeatedly disavowed project 2025. It's some cloud cuckoo land conservative ideas, not fact. And none of it is as batshit mad as sterilising children and having all state agencies doubling down on this and suppressing free speech about it. Which is what the Democrats have already done. They did all this without a democratic mandate and removed democratic free speech on this issue, so, you know it's a bit tin foil hat isn't it to be pointing to some ultra conservative wish list that HASN'T happened as some terrible ogre when sterilisation and mutilation of children HAS ACTUALLY happened. And yet the Democrats would be carrying on with that experimentation on children if they could.

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 02/02/2025 15:11

Talkinpeace · 02/02/2025 14:40

Please read up on the next stages of Project 2025
so that you are not surprised when they happen
https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-14.pdf

If there is a section of Project 2025 you would like to talk about, you could start your own thread on it.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/02/2025 15:15

EmpressaurusKitty · 02/02/2025 15:01

It would have been far better if the democrats had done what Trump’s doing about gender ideology.

But they didn’t.

Wouldn't it just. I'm not going to pass by the opportunity to safeguard children from sterilisation and body mutilation because I fundamentally disagree with the politicians who've produced these EOs.

It's time that all those criticising this, clarify what they're doing to insist that all the political parties and organisations that signed up to trans extremism finally start prioritising children's safety rather than a niche adult ideology.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 02/02/2025 15:20

I find it really odd that it's the people that think child experimentation is FINE who are warning about project 2025.

They've already shown their moral compass to be askew (charitably) and their judgement and ability to rationally analyse facts entirely absent.

It just reads as tin foil hat to me, especially since Trump has repeatedly said it's nothing to do with him at all and does not represent his views. It's basically lies to say this has anything to do with Trump, as he has repeatedly said Susie Wiles (now his chief of staff) has repeatedly said and many others. They've even described it as 'far right' and compared it to the 'far left' stuff like child sterilisation that they're trying to end.

A Guide to Project 2025 - FactCheck.org

Lovelyview · 02/02/2025 15:28

EmpressaurusKitty · 02/02/2025 15:01

It would have been far better if the democrats had done what Trump’s doing about gender ideology.

But they didn’t.

Absolutely. They handed this presidency to Trump on a plate and still don't appear to realise why they lost the election. It will be a very interesting four years. I hope the worst predictions from Project 2025 (dictatorship, abolition of abortion, removal of gay marriage rights) don't come to pass. Project 2025 is very anti pornography so I'll be interested in seeing if they do anything about that.

SionnachRuadh · 02/02/2025 15:33

The thing about Project 2025 is that Heritage has been producing a similar volume every four years since Reagan was president. Left leaning think tanks like the Center for American Progress produce similar wish lists for what they'd like to see incoming Democratic presidents do. This is what think tanks do.

What invariably happens is that some policy staffers in the incoming administration will read this massive volume, cherrypick a few policies that look like they might be popular, and ignore the rest. This is what politicians do with think tank products.

As far as I can see, the fuss around Project 2025 last year was the result of Trump already having been president without American turning into Nazi Germany, and Democrat spinners trying to persuade voters that this time he's really going to turn America into Nazi Germany, because he's got a secret plan buried in this 900 page volume from a conservative think tank.

We're seeing this play out in the Senate confirmation hearings. This week we had Bobby Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard and Kash Patel. All of whom would be a good subject for sharp questioning.

Instead we got a lot of Democratic senators yelling about how much they love Big Pharma (contra Kennedy), intelligence agencies spying on American citizens (contra Gabbard) and the FBI sticking its oar into politics rather than concentrating on solving crimes (contra Patel). Because they think that there's nothing wrong with these institutions, and indeed these institutions are the guardrails of democracy.

There are a couple of young, bright senators - Elissa Slotkin, Ruben Gallego - who would like to talk about kitchen table issues that animate Middle America. But they'll have to get through the party's geriatric leadership first. And neither of them has said anything dissenting from gender woo - that's too brave a step right now.

DeanElderberry · 02/02/2025 16:34

I remember well before Trump when the big bogeyman was Project for the New American Century. That fizzled out after 5 years. I suspect its failure to achieve anything has left a lot of people wary of big uncontrollable aspirational 'projects'.

Talkinpeace · 02/02/2025 17:17

No previous president has a supreme court ruling that tells them they can break the law.
No previous president was a convicted felon
What happened before will not determine what can happen now.

Lovelyview · 02/02/2025 17:40

Talkinpeace · 02/02/2025 17:17

No previous president has a supreme court ruling that tells them they can break the law.
No previous president was a convicted felon
What happened before will not determine what can happen now.

That is true. Trump may destroy democracy or he may not. No-one knows. (But on balance, probably not).

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 02/02/2025 18:27

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themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 02/02/2025 18:39

And also it DOESN'T WORK to tell people who are actually having their or their kids arms bitten by real wolves (real harm from gender ideology) they should be scared of potential, maybe, extreme wolves over there in the middle distance.

Who gives a toss about those maybe wolves? We're tying to deal with this ACTUAL wolf trying to injure our children that is HERE NOW.

I'm so sick of this. And this is why Trump won the election, because a large majority agree with me in being sick of this.

TheKeatingFive · 02/02/2025 19:01

It's a fair point that nothing Trump or right leaning think tanks have come up with is half as batshit as believing that how a person 'feels' should trump their actual sex or people can be born in the 'wrong body''

Are we going to acknowledge that?

SionnachRuadh · 02/02/2025 19:22

The recent vice president sent an official letter on White House letterhead to Dylan Mulvaney congratulating him on 365 days of girlhood.

God knows the Republicans have their issues, and Trump has a whole other set of issues, but you can't blame them for the Democrats Bud Lighting their brand.

TheKeatingFive · 02/02/2025 19:24

SionnachRuadh · 02/02/2025 19:22

The recent vice president sent an official letter on White House letterhead to Dylan Mulvaney congratulating him on 365 days of girlhood.

God knows the Republicans have their issues, and Trump has a whole other set of issues, but you can't blame them for the Democrats Bud Lighting their brand.

It's just extraordinary.

I wonder what they'll say about this period in the future? When the powers that be lost their minds ...

SionnachRuadh · 02/02/2025 19:38

TheKeatingFive · 02/02/2025 19:24

It's just extraordinary.

I wonder what they'll say about this period in the future? When the powers that be lost their minds ...

It's as if half of the political spectrum - and the half that considers itself clever and rational and pro-science and contains most of the credentialled experts - had spent the last decade and a half devoted to the teachings of L Ron Hubbard.

DeanElderberry · 02/02/2025 19:50

There's a thought.

Britinme · 07/02/2025 12:52

PolitiFact has a full and in my opinion misleading "fact check" on the EO today:

"Fact-checking misleading claims from Trump’s executive order on trans youth health care
President Donald Trump’s executive orderr_ about medical care for transgender youth called to end "reliance on junk science" but also included claims about gender-affirming care that clash with leading medical research and practice.
The Jan. 28 order declared that the U.S. government "will not fund, sponsor, promote, assist, or support the so-called ‘transition’ of a child from one sex to another, and it will rigorously enforce all laws that prohibit or limit these destructive and life-altering procedures."
The order demanded ending federal funding to any hospitals or medical schools that provide gender-affirming medical care to youth. It also directed the Department of Health and Human Services "take all appropriate actions" under law to end access to care.
It defined a child as anyone younger than 19, including 18-year-olds whom federal and state laws generally presume to be adultss.

Some U.S. hospitals, including in states in which gender-affirming care for youth is legal, have respondedd to the order by suspending its caree_ offerings.
Here are some misleading claims from the order, which will likely face legal challenge.
The White House did not respond to a request for comment.
Claim: "Across the country today, medical professionals are maiming and sterilizing a growing number of impressionable children."
It’s inaccurate to characterize gender-affirming care as "maiming" or "sterilizing" and this statement gives a misleading impression about the kind of care that medical professionals provide to transgender children.
Gender-affirming medical care seeks to support transgender and nonbinary people’ss_ gender identity. For prepubescent patients, that basically amounts to "social transition," which is presented in social ways — wearing new clothes or going by different pronouns or names — not medical ways — through surgery or medicine.
After puberty’s onset, and after consulting mental health providers, doctors and parents, trans adolescents can be prescribed puberty blockerss_, which temporarily pause the body from producing the hormones that cause pubertal changes. Once an adolescent stops taking them, puberty resumes. Blockers alone do not cause infertility.
Since the 1980ss_, doctors have prescribed and studied puberty blockers for children who start puberty too young, known as precocious puberty.
Medical guidelines from the Endocrine Societyy and American Academy of Pediatricss say older adolescents can be prescribed hormones, such as testosterone and estrogen, that cause body changes — some reversible, others not — in line with those adolescents' gender identities. Extended hormone use can affectt long-termm fertilityy — but not alwayss.
Medical guideliness instruct doctors to inform and discuss fertility risks before prescribing hormones. Trans adolescentss’ use of cross-sex hormones has generallyy shownn positivee or neutral effectss on mental healthh and well-beingg.
Gender-affirming surgery in patients younger than 18 is veryy uncommonn, especiallyy_ "bottom surgeries" that alter genitalia or reproductive organs.
Claim: "Countless children soon regret that they have been mutilated."
That’s misleading. Some adolescents who receive gender-affirming care may decide to stop treatment or regret the care they received. This can happen with all medical care.
But research shows the numbers of people who "regret""_ gender-affirming care are small.
Recentt studiess of adolescentss whoo havee receivedd gender-affirmingg medicalltreatmentt showw the rates of people stopping treatment, regretting treatment, or reverting to their birth-assigned sex range from 1% to 9%, with most being on the lower end of that range.
For example, a 20244_ American study surveyed 220 youth who took puberty blockers or hormones. Of the 220, nine (4%) expressed regret about one of the treatments. Of those nine, five stopped gender-affirming medical care or planned to stop. The other four continued care.
Numbers of detransitionn or regrett are often even lowerr for adultss, research shows.
The reasons people "detransition" — or stop gender-affirming medical care — are increasingly diverse, and don’t always mean people’s identities have reverted to their birth-assigned sex, experts said. Some people may transition to a nonbinary identity, meaning they identify as neither a man nor a woman, or stop medical intervention after they have achieved a certain appearance.
Other people may change their gender presentation or pronouns, without regret. Detransitioners may see their transitions as an important part of their gender exploration, or detransition because of social, familial, or economic pressures, experts said.
Read Staff Writer Grace Abels’ full fact-check. >>>_"

lcakethereforeIam · 07/02/2025 13:55

Forbes Breaking News is currently posting stuff on YouTube. Millions spent on animal testing. Transing, chemically and surgically, mice and monkeys. Then testing to see how they respond to chemsex drugs. All financed with taxes through Dr Fauci. I'm feeling the conspiracy theorists might be on to something 😃 Perhaps I'm the mad one!?

Chersfrozenface · 07/02/2025 13:56

lcakethereforeIam · 07/02/2025 13:55

Forbes Breaking News is currently posting stuff on YouTube. Millions spent on animal testing. Transing, chemically and surgically, mice and monkeys. Then testing to see how they respond to chemsex drugs. All financed with taxes through Dr Fauci. I'm feeling the conspiracy theorists might be on to something 😃 Perhaps I'm the mad one!?

I wonder whether PETA have a view on this.

lcakethereforeIam · 07/02/2025 14:43

I only watched a couple, seems to be some sort of US Government hearing. There was more about testing on beagle puppies, making them breathe different types of smoke (wood and vegetation? LA fires?), gun smoke (!), then killing and dissecting them. All very upsetting, not least because it seems so pointless and wasteful. Apparently Biden cancelled some sort of order Trump had made against animal testing.

EmpressaurusKitty · 07/02/2025 14:56

Chersfrozenface · 07/02/2025 13:56

I wonder whether PETA have a view on this.

They wouldn’t dare.

DrBlackbird · 08/02/2025 17:36

@Britinme I can well imagine that many many people regret CSH and surgery but cannot allow themselves to whisper ‘it’s not helped’. Can only imagine the utter devastation that would follow an admission that irreversible surgery, loss of sexual pleasure, infertility and potentially life long side effects did not lead to them becoming the opposite sex and life long happiness.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/02/2025 21:42

The Telegraph reporting that children in Brighton are being prescribed dangerous sex change hormones by transactivist doctors against parental wishes and some brave parents are seeking a judicial review to try to stop them:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/08/gp-clinic-defying-cass-review-hormones-teens/

Archive link: https://archive.ph/Rg37r

duc748 · 08/02/2025 22:04

Bloody Brighton! 😡

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