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Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon

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JessaWoo · 22/01/2025 03:20

These are tweets from Matt Walsh on X about Bishop Marian Budde and her sermon earlier today in Washington, attacking her womanhood and ability in a sexist and ageist tirade. It seems the clarion call has gone out to the rest of the Trump X minions, as they are all tweeting the same sentiments - including Kellie-Jay Keen and Donald Trump Jnr. Rep. Mike Collins całłed for her deportation, although she is American. Do you still support Trump after this?

“A liberal woman over the age of 50 with a lesbian haircut is guaranteed to support the most evil ideas and policies that mankind has ever conceived.”

“Just take one look at this witch and you know everything you need to know about her, even before she starts talking.”

“Of course this grotesque display is coming from a female “priest.” You will only ever hear heresy and inanity from someone whose whole existence is blasphemous.”

And another tweet from Bo Loudon: “🚨BREAKING: A bishop at the National Cathedrol just urged President Trump to protect transgender children and not deport illegal aliens because "they're not criminals."

Pure class from President Trump as he sat through this despicable politicization of the prayer service.”

Speech text:
““In the Name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now,” Budde stated. “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives.

”The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat-packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

Budde asked Trump “to have mercy” on people “in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away and that you help those who are fleeing warzones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.

“Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land,” she continued. “May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love, and walk humbly with each other and our God.”

Earlier in her message, Budde stressed the importance of unity, of respectfully disagreeing with one another, but also expressed concern over what she called “the culture of contempt” and feared “the loss of equality” for some who lose in political debates.

What a horrible, divisive message this is! 🙄 Personally, I think Budde's message is courageous and beautiful, and clearly deeply Christian at its core.

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biscuitandcake · 22/01/2025 13:31

Naunet · 22/01/2025 13:27

Like JK Rowling asking for compassion for women? Remind me, what's been the response from the hard left on that?

She wasn't asking for compassion for the hard left though. She was asking for compassion for children/scared people/vulnerable people. Even if she was talking about the hard left. Other cheeks and all that.
But tribalism is stupid. Especially when it drags in people who have no real choice about being dragged into it.

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/01/2025 13:32

Niminy · 22/01/2025 13:27

Agreed. She's getting loads of love from the bekind crew. It's nothing compared to the courage of those who stood up against GI and not only lost their livelihoods but had disgusting abuse rained down on them.

She's receiving plenty of abuse, misogynist abuse and a call from a legistlator to deport her.

ChessorBuckaroo · 22/01/2025 13:43

As I said yesterday, america is reverting back to its puritanical, persecuting, bigoted roots.

And we cannot just say it's a fringe element, its millions of them, tens of millions of them. And the speaker of the house, mike johnson, is a particular monster.

It's a scary time for all minorities there. Non white people have been catching hell there for 400 years, but now it's the LGBT community who are front and centre of their ire.

Homosexuality only became legal there nationwide in 2003 (via federal law), 14 states (yellow in the diagram below, the backward, knuckle dragging heartland of the trump followers) still have sodomy laws in the books.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States

Sodomy laws in the United States - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States

ChessorBuckaroo · 22/01/2025 13:50

Sorry, 14 states don't still have sodomy laws in the books, "only" 12 of them do with sodomy having not been repealed by their state legislatures.

If you are gay, trans (and not white, but that's a longstanding separate matter) you, in 2025, are being openly targeted there.

Shortshriftandlethal · 22/01/2025 13:55

wobblyweewoman · 22/01/2025 03:44

I thought it was embarrassing for her. Transgender people fear for their lives? Irresponsible hyperbole.

Obviously personal abuse is not an appropriate response, but I thought she over-stepped her role in the ceremony, and made clear, partisan, political comment. If she had wanted to keep people in her prayers, she could have done so but worded and delivered the sentiment differently.

EmmaMaria · 22/01/2025 14:01

I'm off to get myself a lesbian haircut. Do you think the stylist will have a selection to choose from or is it just the one?

EmmaMaria · 22/01/2025 14:02

Shortshriftandlethal · 22/01/2025 13:55

Obviously personal abuse is not an appropriate response, but I thought she over-stepped her role in the ceremony, and made clear, partisan, political comment. If she had wanted to keep people in her prayers, she could have done so but worded and delivered the sentiment differently.

Isn't that pretty much what the Pharisees said about that Jesus bloke?

Grammarnut · 22/01/2025 14:10

She was brave but she talked nonsense about trans children, who do not exist. She also, in supporting the trans agenda, is also supporting the misogynistic principles trans is based on - and thus no better than Republican misogynists.
However, the Republican ad hominem attacks are a) pointless and b) stupid.

Grammarnut · 22/01/2025 14:11

EmmaMaria · 22/01/2025 14:02

Isn't that pretty much what the Pharisees said about that Jesus bloke?

Not quite. They were for outward show. The bishop was doing some outward show, too.

Winterwonders24 · 22/01/2025 14:13

Jacquette · 22/01/2025 12:15

It’s going to be a hellish 4 years.

4? JD Vance has more brains and is a much more palatable communicator.

Naunet · 22/01/2025 14:22

biscuitandcake · 22/01/2025 13:31

She wasn't asking for compassion for the hard left though. She was asking for compassion for children/scared people/vulnerable people. Even if she was talking about the hard left. Other cheeks and all that.
But tribalism is stupid. Especially when it drags in people who have no real choice about being dragged into it.

Where did I say she was asking for compassion for the hard left?!

Naunet · 22/01/2025 14:27

ChessorBuckaroo · 22/01/2025 13:43

As I said yesterday, america is reverting back to its puritanical, persecuting, bigoted roots.

And we cannot just say it's a fringe element, its millions of them, tens of millions of them. And the speaker of the house, mike johnson, is a particular monster.

It's a scary time for all minorities there. Non white people have been catching hell there for 400 years, but now it's the LGBT community who are front and centre of their ire.

Homosexuality only became legal there nationwide in 2003 (via federal law), 14 states (yellow in the diagram below, the backward, knuckle dragging heartland of the trump followers) still have sodomy laws in the books.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States

They still have legal child marriage in many states, and no one being outraged over it, even Musk who is apparently oh so concered with child abuse over here. It's a backwards fucked up country, anyone who believed them when they claimed it was the land of the free, is an idiot.

SecretSoul · 22/01/2025 15:22

Naunet · 22/01/2025 14:27

They still have legal child marriage in many states, and no one being outraged over it, even Musk who is apparently oh so concered with child abuse over here. It's a backwards fucked up country, anyone who believed them when they claimed it was the land of the free, is an idiot.

Musk only concerns himself with child abuse when the perpetrators are non-white. Can’t imagine why…..oh wait….

illinivich · 22/01/2025 17:45

lcakethereforeIam · 22/01/2025 16:49

They recently tried to pass a law to outlaw child marriage in California. Which is, I believe, a state that is staunchly Demoncratic. You'll never guess who worked to see the bill wasn't passed

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-08-03/why-child-marriage-is-still-legal-in-california-at-any-age

Among their concerns is that a total ban on marriage of minors could be a slippery slope and impede constitutional rights or reproductive choices, including access to abortion.

Is there anything thats not a slippery slope to removing abortion rights?

CathyFisher · 22/01/2025 18:04

SecretSoul · 22/01/2025 07:41

Many GC women don’t believe there’s such a thing as a “trans child” and labelling them as such seeks to reinforce and validate gender ideology, which we consider deeply harmful to children.

If she had used a more generic phrase such as “ vulnerable children”, that would have been fine.

Also, there are not “high rates of suicide” among the trans community. This is a myth that’s often repeated and multiple suicide charities have implored people to stop saying this because it’s not true and is damaging.

I agree under Trump’s government there will be many people who fear for their lives. His rhetoric amplifies division and hate, and he emboldens racist, xenophobic individuals. ” Trans children” don’t need a special mention in this. He’s not seeking to gun them down or remove them from the country.

Autistic girls make up a large proportion of “trans” youths, so as an autistic woman myself, I care very much about these children. I completely understand how difficult they may find the world. I just don’t agree that labelling them as trans or singling them out is helpful or the best way forward for anyone.

I personally could never have voted for Trump. I flit between anger and absolute dismay that he’s been allowed to even run for office. I can’t even look at his face on TV, I’m so unbelievably upset that he’s President again. But I understand, like in the U.K., gender identity was the primary concern for some voters and if that’s the case, it’s no wonder the Democrats lost. The trouble is that in the US there’s not any alternative- it’s the presentation of two extremes. He’s an awful man who’s corrupt to the core and he has awful, hateful policies. I’m deeply uncomfortable that he’s the one who’s willing to recognise biological reality and I wish more than anything that the Democrats could have seen the damage that was being inflicted.

Have you actually met any trans children or their parents? They absolutely do exist and they are absolutely terrified of what will happen in the next four years

legalimmigrant · 22/01/2025 18:18

It sounds as if it was an inappropriately political series of over inflammatory statements. When Trump does this he gets criticised.

I, like most people I suspect, have a clause in my employment contract that states I can't use my paid employment for political campaigning and I bet she does too.

It was also seeking to divide not unite. Trump was democratically elected with a huge democratic mandate. Does she think democracy is optional? It's a really bad look and divides the country not unites them. Now is the time for unity not division.

Lots of people think the term 'trans' when applied to a child is utterly wrong. Sterilising children seems worse to me than trying to stop it (which is what Trump's doing).

Personal attacks are always horrible, though they generally make the one attacking look horrible rather than anything else. But she must have known she would provoke such responses.

Like it or not Trump IS president - with a huge democratic mandate. It's quite offensive to a large proportion of the population to suggest you're so superior that you're willing to ignore democracy.

SinnerBoy · 22/01/2025 18:18

I've jumped straight from the third page, so this may have been mentioned: using the once highly respected Nature to support a high suicide rate claim is risible. They sold out and punt out activist propaganda.

OldCrone · 22/01/2025 18:26

CathyFisher · 22/01/2025 18:04

Have you actually met any trans children or their parents? They absolutely do exist and they are absolutely terrified of what will happen in the next four years

It's unlikely that the poster you're replying to has met a so-called "trans child" since they've said that they don't believe that children can be transsexual.

What makes you think that children can be transsexuals?

EasternStandard · 22/01/2025 18:36

Grammarnut · 22/01/2025 14:10

She was brave but she talked nonsense about trans children, who do not exist. She also, in supporting the trans agenda, is also supporting the misogynistic principles trans is based on - and thus no better than Republican misogynists.
However, the Republican ad hominem attacks are a) pointless and b) stupid.

I agree on the 'trans child' part. It's irresponsible and not helpful

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 22/01/2025 18:39

CathyFisher · 22/01/2025 18:04

Have you actually met any trans children or their parents? They absolutely do exist and they are absolutely terrified of what will happen in the next four years

Then their parents should step up and actually parent them. No darling, you can't change sex. No sweetie you're not actually a girl because you like pink. No my love, those people don't actually wish you harm, you're quite safe. No you can't take puberty blockers or cross sex hormones because I love you, and it's my job to keep you from dangerous and unevidenced treatment that won't actually help the distress you're feeling.
It's a novel route but it might just work

TempestTost · 22/01/2025 18:43

Matt Walsh was very rude.

However, in so far as he was describing a "type" a woman Anglican bishop, he's painted an image people will recognize - the out of touch middle aged woman with a gender neutral look, who unthinkingly cleaves to any "progressive" cause. Exactly the kind of person, in another example last year, to gently instruct a young, conservative, black seminarian that "of course there is such a thing as white privilege." (I say this an an Anglican who has met many women bishops like this. They do tend to be very typey. But - Walsh isn't doing himself any favours with his invective, IMO.)

Anyway, I have no doubt she is achingly sincere, but she is clearly an idiot about "tans children", and running a country full of people who entered illegally and aren't documented is problematic at the best of times, it's not "kind" whatever she believes. It's also hard to understand how she can have failed to see the problems being caused by illegal border crossings, not only in the border towns themselves, but even I places like NYC or the so called "sanctuary cities" where local people in need can no longer get a shelter bed, and towns are suddenly on the hook for massive amounts of money they do not have to feed and house people.

No matter how "mean" it might seem, one of the most effective ways of preventing illegal border crossings is sending people back every time. And in the end it is kinder to stop that flow of people who will always be in an irregular position and subject to exploitation.

lcakethereforeIam · 22/01/2025 18:45

Perhaps she should have a word with the other 'big man'. The one who irresponsibly, and with increasing frequency, apparently keeps putting little boys in female bodies and vice versa. I mean, for someone who's apparently omni-omni, he's really getting the basics wrong.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 22/01/2025 18:49

quixote9 · 22/01/2025 07:20

I'm not denying they're undocumented. Just mentioning the fact that they do get taxes taken out of their wages. As another commenter mentioned, if paid in cash totally under the table, then indeed, no taxes taken out. The majority of undocumented aren't paid that way. They work for large businesses. (Anyway, what were we talking about here? Oh yes, the cleric speaking. Good for her for speaking up. Yes, not many trans people in the areas where they really might get shot on sight. Women are in much greater danger always and everywhere. Also from the magats who aren't doing any of this two-sexes stuff because they want women to be safe and free. Oh well. Only another four or five hundred years to wait, right?)

The majority of undocumented aren't paid that way. They work for large businesses.

In the UK, I had to show my passport and prove that I had the right to work here when I applied for my last and current jobs. My passport number remains on my HR records.

I'm startled that the US lacks such a system.

OvaHere · 22/01/2025 18:58

Did any Bishops publicly rebuke Biden 4 years ago for destroying Title XI on his first day in office?