Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon

[JessaWoo]

These are tweets from Matt Walsh on X about Bishop Marian Budde and her sermon earlier today in Washington, attacking her womanhood and ability in a sexist and ageist tirade. It seems the clarion call has gone out to the rest of the Trump X minions, as they are all tweeting the same sentiments - including Kellie-Jay Keen and Donald Trump Jnr. Rep. Mike Collins całłed for her deportation, although she is American. Do you still support Trump after this?

“A liberal woman over the age of 50 with a lesbian haircut is guaranteed to support the most evil ideas and policies that mankind has ever conceived.”

“Just take one look at this witch and you know everything you need to know about her, even before she starts talking.”

“Of course this grotesque display is coming from a female “priest.” You will only ever hear heresy and inanity from someone whose whole existence is blasphemous.”

And another tweet from Bo Loudon: “🚨BREAKING: A bishop at the National Cathedrol just urged President Trump to protect transgender children and not deport illegal aliens because "they're not criminals."

Pure class from President Trump as he sat through this despicable politicization of the prayer service.”

Speech text:
““In the Name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now,” Budde stated. “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives.

”The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat-packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

Budde asked Trump “to have mercy” on people “in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away and that you help those who are fleeing warzones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.

“Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land,” she continued. “May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love, and walk humbly with each other and our God.”

Earlier in her message, Budde stressed the importance of unity, of respectfully disagreeing with one another, but also expressed concern over what she called “the culture of contempt” and feared “the loss of equality” for some who lose in political debates.

What a horrible, divisive message this is! 🙄 Personally, I think Budde's message is courageous and beautiful, and clearly deeply Christian at its core.

@NotBadConsidering

So you believe that expressing support for one executive order that was written by a feminist lawyer and signed by Trump, hereby bounds everyone who expresses that support for that one thing to everything he is, was, and ever will be and everything he has done, does and will do?

No. The very post you replied to said that. Read it again?

Yes, I do.

You included a KJK tweet by mistake with no actual thought process, and can't back down.

Absolutely.

She is wrong, because these children do not complete suicide at a higher rate, they paper does not show that, and it’s not remotely simply to show that any mental health change is a result of one single thing.

I never understand why people are so desperate to make these children suicidal when they’re no different to other children with mental health issues disorders. It’s as though it’s a tool to use.

The message from the bishop though can be seen as catastrophising the current situation by using the words ‘fear for their lives’ without context. In what way?

From being attacked? From suicide? From dying due to lack of medical treatment because they have been turned away from life saving treatments, and I don’t refer to gender affirmation treatment as life saving for clarity, due to discrimination ? In what way do they face death that other groups do not that they have been especially mentioned?

Unfortunately, just leaving it without context, either intentionally or unintentionally, leaves the statement being perceived as just the amplification of activist mantras. And if a respected bishop has just said this at an inauguration prayer service, then it will indeed raise generalised fear for the groups involved.

Some people have resorted to pointing out the gun situation in the USA. The thing is about that as a discussion point is that the violence revolving around guns is a much wider issue where just about everyone carries, and rightly, a fear about that. And did that fear lessen at all during Biden’s presidency?

Ok, now we’ve established that, can you explain what you meant by “support Trump” in your OP. You admit it doesn’t mean support him in everything he does. But you think it’s more than agree with him on this one particular thing, this executive order.

So I’ll ask again: what are you accusing people of? What does “support Trump” mean in your OP?

You just disagreed with youself.

We used to have a user name who switched people running it randomly just to cause mayhem. Interesting.

Very brave I thought.
I've been wondering recently what I would actually have the guts to do if I found myself living in a world I felt strongly was going the wrong way and where dissent was squashed quickly and aggressively. (Off the back of reading a book set in pre-war Germany.)
And maybe this is the only thing people could do in that situation. Speaking up publicly for what you believe and doing it early. Well done her.

@AlisonDonut

Yes, I do.
You included a KJK tweet by mistake with no actual thought process, and can't back down.

Why do you think it was a mistake? She's there for the reasons I already stated. You just seem to have an issue with it. (I have no reason to back down, either.)

Would you like to discuss the issue of the misogyny of Matt Walsh's tweets? No?

I am hoping that the hyperbole will die down in the coming weeks, once the drama of Trumps return is subsumed by actual politics. I am not hopeful that his presidency will be a good thing for the world, but we have to wait and see what unfolds.

Lies will continue to be spun on X and in both the 'legacy media' and on social media. Some of these will be unwitting lies coming from people who are being misled and manipulated, others will come from the manipulators. The bad faith actors are operating on all sides of the political spectrum.

However, the majority of the people, when they are presented with facts and reasoned argument, are kind and generous of thought. It is important to remember that. Much of the hyperbole is designed to disrupt this.

Many democrats have lost the plot (the clip doing the rounds last week about the humiliation of the 'genital inspections' being proposed in a bill about single sex sports). This sermon may have been on a par with this and be worthy of push back.

Of course the woman doing the preaching should not be ridiculed for her appearance or sexuality. It is fair to critique her message. It is important to do so with balance. Are trans people really likely to be killed due to Trumps proposals? Should trans people learn to live their lives happily without the need/demand for identities being validated by others. These questions are worth exploring and suggestions that there is a moral imperative not to critique does not come from a truly moral stance.

There are plenty of misogynists out there, and the GOP is known for its sexism. Nothing has changed there. The majority of people will feel uncomfortable by unfair persecution of women and/or trans people. America isn't going to just see women/trans people differently because of what Trump and the GOP are saying.

I don't follow Matt Walsh and he has nothing to do with FWR so no. If you follow him and don't like his tweets then stop following him.

@AlisonDonut

You just disagreed with youself.
We used to have a user name who switched people running it randomly just to cause mayhem. Interesting.

Interesting. That's on the playbook to shut people down - accuse them of being someone else. So far, we've had: you're a TRA, now there's a username switcher, next you'll be accusing me of being a man? Then I'll be lacking intelligence.

@AlisonDonut

* I* don't follow Matt Walsh and he has nothing to do with FWR so no. If you follow him and don't like his tweets then stop following him.

Good for you, and thanks. No need for you to be in the conversation then, and I'll stop responding to you.

Is this thread about Matt Walsh? I thought it was about the Bishop and her sermon.

Te sermon was deliberately provocative and inappropriate for the occasion.
I wonder who booked it.

You are so desperate to accuse me of shutting people down, whilst responding to you every single time and then saying 'I shall here and henceforth refuse to respond to you'.

Makes total sense.

Trump I imagine. Just for the reaction.

I believe that Chase Strangio clarified that suicides within the group of people who have transgender identities are rare, in court for the US v. Skrmetti case before Christmas.

Suicidality is high and spreading misinformation about completed suicides in a specific group is not a response that likely lowers that suicidality, is it?

Strangio also admitted that there was currently no evidence that gender affirming treatment lowered suicide numbers.

“Strangio said: “What I think that is referring to is there is no evidence in some—in the studies that this treatment reduces completed suicide. And the reason for that is completed suicide, thankfully and admittedly, is rare and we’re talking about a very small population of individuals with studies that don’t necessarily have completed suicides within them.”
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However, there are multiple studies, long-term longitudinal studies that do show that there is a reduction in—in suicidality . . .” “

https://www.city-journal.org/article/aclu-attorney-confesses-transgender-suicide-claim-is-a-myth

What Strangio said has been clarified over the past years in multiple countries not just the USA. Concerningly, suicide numbers are not shown to decrease with the current gender affirming care recommendations. Hence why there is so much discussion about those treatment recommendations.

I must have misunderstood too. But then again, it was titled as a thread to discuss the reaction rather than actually discussing the positives and negatives of what the bishop said.

It could be said to be a thread to direct a ‘pile on’ at those who are commenting negatively. Which could surely be seen as an act that would be classed as hypocritical of the OP?

I might be naive, it's hard to tell from inside your own head.

However, I don't think the president of the USA has Posie Parker on speed dial.

I think it is inevitable that these changes are going to cause chaos for a while.

Transactivist laws and customs have been rolled out in the US, largely under the radar and with discussion and criticism being painted as so blasphemous that many felt unable to speak out.

Because of that people have become utterly sick of the whole thing, because by the time it came to light it was deeply embedded and huge harm had been done, both to girls and women in sports and to imprisoned women.

The few who finally felt able to speak out were often powerful men, from the Christian right, unlike those who spoke out in the UK, who were largely left-leaning women.

The election of Trump and the advertisements that were seen to be so damaging to Kamala have opened that rift wide open. It really is broadly an emperor’s new clothes moment and the shift has come incredibly fast.

It will take some time for society to readjust to the new normal. I personally have some fear that there will now be a backlash against lesbian and gay people, because the Christian right now properly have the bit between their teeth. I don’t think fearmongering, as it sounds like this preacher has done, is helpful as it comes across as more of the hyperbole that transactivists have become known for.

If it was during an inauguration service for Trump, I also think it was could well be regarded as an inappropriate time and place and no wonder there would be backlash.

So while I am glad of Trump’s executive order, which seemed entirely rational I do think we are about to see mass instability for a while. I expected transactivism to fall apart slowly, as the medical negligence cases piled up. The current huge shift is going to cause a lot of rifts for a while and I simply hope that when it all settles into place, we find ourselves in a more rational place than where we have been for the past few years and that those who have won genuine civil rights campaigns up until now, such as women and lesbian and gay people, manage to retain those rights

In the US in particular, some do, and with good reason. It is irresponsible to deny it.

The money taken out goes to the tax authorities.

How do you suggest they avoid paying sales taxes?

Asking a president to be kind is "deliberately provocative"? That's quite a twist in the use of basic language.

Transgender people have a lot of irrational thoughts. Like they’re the opposite sex, for instance. Or stereotypes define them. Or they aren’t a sex at all. Doesn’t mean any of it is true.

Helping people who say they’re trans come to terms with the idea that just because people don’t believe their self projection and no longer feel obligated to pretend they do, doesn’t mean the world is out to get them would be a helpful progression to finding a balance.

Instead we have people like this bishop saying that people saying no to them is going to be the death of them. It’s not true and it’s not helpful.