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Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon

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JessaWoo · 22/01/2025 03:20

These are tweets from Matt Walsh on X about Bishop Marian Budde and her sermon earlier today in Washington, attacking her womanhood and ability in a sexist and ageist tirade. It seems the clarion call has gone out to the rest of the Trump X minions, as they are all tweeting the same sentiments - including Kellie-Jay Keen and Donald Trump Jnr. Rep. Mike Collins całłed for her deportation, although she is American. Do you still support Trump after this?

“A liberal woman over the age of 50 with a lesbian haircut is guaranteed to support the most evil ideas and policies that mankind has ever conceived.”

“Just take one look at this witch and you know everything you need to know about her, even before she starts talking.”

“Of course this grotesque display is coming from a female “priest.” You will only ever hear heresy and inanity from someone whose whole existence is blasphemous.”

And another tweet from Bo Loudon: “🚨BREAKING: A bishop at the National Cathedrol just urged President Trump to protect transgender children and not deport illegal aliens because "they're not criminals."

Pure class from President Trump as he sat through this despicable politicization of the prayer service.”

Speech text:
““In the Name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now,” Budde stated. “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives.

”The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat-packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

Budde asked Trump “to have mercy” on people “in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away and that you help those who are fleeing warzones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.

“Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land,” she continued. “May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love, and walk humbly with each other and our God.”

Earlier in her message, Budde stressed the importance of unity, of respectfully disagreeing with one another, but also expressed concern over what she called “the culture of contempt” and feared “the loss of equality” for some who lose in political debates.

What a horrible, divisive message this is! 🙄 Personally, I think Budde's message is courageous and beautiful, and clearly deeply Christian at its core.

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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 17:16

izimbra · 23/01/2025 14:45

"It's funny also how the 'only.3% of the population' doesn't seem to apply when it's people feeling scared of Trump"

You mean if it's just a very small minority we can stop worrying about them being victimised and oppressed?

Jewish people made up less than 1% of Germany's population in 1933. Does this mean the fear they must have felt at growing public antipathy towards them and changes in the law that impacted on their freedoms weren't important?

Are you claiming that putting men in men's prisons and keeping men out of women's rape shelters are exactly the same as making people stateless and gassing them by the million?

lcakethereforeIam · 23/01/2025 17:17

izimbra · 23/01/2025 16:15

"Did she ever ask the TQ+ community to show some empathy to women?"

She could have asked black people to show some empathy for racists, who are terrified of becoming the victims of black crime - many to the extent that they've chosen to move away from areas in which they live, to areas with fewer black people in.

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE RACISTS 😭😭😭

Sean Flanagan Fah GIF by Foil Arms and Hog

Right, so according to you women are racist, but twaw so tw must be racists!

RhannionKPSS · 23/01/2025 17:18

Harris & the Dems left the goal posts wide open with dangerous nonsense about operations for “ trans “ prisoners, gushing over Dylan with her letter about his “ girlhood”.
i hope the person who thought up the advert “ Harris is for they/them , Trump
is for you “ deserves a huge bonus because it summed it all up.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 17:18

AlisonDonut · 23/01/2025 17:13

But, they did go to jail for posting words online?

Yes, OK, they did. But they weren't posting words that are protected post-Forstater.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 17:25

izimbra · 23/01/2025 16:15

"Did she ever ask the TQ+ community to show some empathy to women?"

She could have asked black people to show some empathy for racists, who are terrified of becoming the victims of black crime - many to the extent that they've chosen to move away from areas in which they live, to areas with fewer black people in.

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE RACISTS 😭😭😭

Are you claiming that the belief in two sexes, which Forstater v CGD found to be "worthy of respect in a democratic society", is comparable to racism, which isn't WORIADS?

Are you claiming that the belief that no one with a penis should be incarcerated in a women's prison is comparable to thinking that Black people should go to the back of the bus?

Because it looks like you are.

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 17:27

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 23/01/2025 16:30

Women equivalent to racists? Are you sure you're a feminist🤔

Please stop suggesting you speak for all women. You don’t. It has been shown again and again that women have a range of opinion on trans issues.
I certainly don’t agree with many people on this thread (but for example, I do think that sporting issues should be dealt with on a case by case basis no hard and fast yes or no).

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 17:27

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 17:16

Are you claiming that putting men in men's prisons and keeping men out of women's rape shelters are exactly the same as making people stateless and gassing them by the million?

Well, he does intend to make people stateless.

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 17:36

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 17:25

Are you claiming that the belief in two sexes, which Forstater v CGD found to be "worthy of respect in a democratic society", is comparable to racism, which isn't WORIADS?

Are you claiming that the belief that no one with a penis should be incarcerated in a women's prison is comparable to thinking that Black people should go to the back of the bus?

Because it looks like you are.

It certainly can be interpreted that way.

That women who ask to be considered are the equivalent of racists. And considering the past posts on this thread, that would be an accurate interpretation.

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 23/01/2025 17:39

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 17:27

Please stop suggesting you speak for all women. You don’t. It has been shown again and again that women have a range of opinion on trans issues.
I certainly don’t agree with many people on this thread (but for example, I do think that sporting issues should be dealt with on a case by case basis no hard and fast yes or no).

Well, believe it or not, I would be genuinely interested in your views on trans issues. Do you think 'women' as a sex class should include any men who identify as women?

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 17:40

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 17:27

Please stop suggesting you speak for all women. You don’t. It has been shown again and again that women have a range of opinion on trans issues.
I certainly don’t agree with many people on this thread (but for example, I do think that sporting issues should be dealt with on a case by case basis no hard and fast yes or no).

Could you explain how sports could be dealt with on a case by case basis, please? Because there are numerous sports scientists, developmental biologists and sports experts who have attempted to model this and found that it simply doesn’t work.

Have you got an idea? Or read an expert who has explained this in detail with the modelling clear and robust? Or is this wishful thinking on your part? That you ‘wish’ that sports can be dealt with on a case by case basis?

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 17:42

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 17:27

Well, he does intend to make people stateless.

How is he planning on making people stateless? Who is he removing birthright citizenship from?

AlisonDonut · 23/01/2025 17:42

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 17:27

Please stop suggesting you speak for all women. You don’t. It has been shown again and again that women have a range of opinion on trans issues.
I certainly don’t agree with many people on this thread (but for example, I do think that sporting issues should be dealt with on a case by case basis no hard and fast yes or no).

A case by case basis?

Which men would you keep out of women's sports and which men would you allow?

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 18:00

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 17:42

How is he planning on making people stateless? Who is he removing birthright citizenship from?

From a whole range of people who were born in the states. I believe some (often racist) people call them anchor babies.
I have no interest in debating my opinions on trans issues on here. I will not change my mind. Others won’t change theirs. We both can use evidence from a range of sources. It won’t help the current situation.
The OP was about the sermon. It was a Christian sermon. It was fine. Women’s rights are hugely under threat right now. I would prefer if we could stop fighting each other. While this has been going on they over turned Roe V Wade!

lcakethereforeIam · 23/01/2025 18:02

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 17:27

Please stop suggesting you speak for all women. You don’t. It has been shown again and again that women have a range of opinion on trans issues.
I certainly don’t agree with many people on this thread (but for example, I do think that sporting issues should be dealt with on a case by case basis no hard and fast yes or no).

The previous poster quoted me. I just said 'women', not gc women, not women who voted for Trump, just 'women'. The poster explicitly said women are racists. All women. Including, by their lights, transwomen.

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 23/01/2025 18:04

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 18:00

From a whole range of people who were born in the states. I believe some (often racist) people call them anchor babies.
I have no interest in debating my opinions on trans issues on here. I will not change my mind. Others won’t change theirs. We both can use evidence from a range of sources. It won’t help the current situation.
The OP was about the sermon. It was a Christian sermon. It was fine. Women’s rights are hugely under threat right now. I would prefer if we could stop fighting each other. While this has been going on they over turned Roe V Wade!

Ah just a drive-by scolder then. What a shame.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 18:08

RhannionKPSS · 23/01/2025 17:18

Harris & the Dems left the goal posts wide open with dangerous nonsense about operations for “ trans “ prisoners, gushing over Dylan with her letter about his “ girlhood”.
i hope the person who thought up the advert “ Harris is for they/them , Trump
is for you “ deserves a huge bonus because it summed it all up.

If this presidential election has shown one thing, it's disproved the claim by Jess Phillips et al that the conflict between trans activists' demands and women's rights isn't important to voters.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 18:10

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 17:27

Well, he does intend to make people stateless.

On the basis of them being gender dysphoric?

illinivich · 23/01/2025 18:11

I have no interest in debating my opinions on trans issues on here. I will not change my mind.

Why are you posting on this board?

1dayatatime · 23/01/2025 18:13

@GrammarTeacher

"Well, he does intend to make people stateless."

You do realise that the UK and the majority of the world also do not allow birthright citizenship, instead basing citizenship on the parents.

Are the UK and Europe making people stateless by not allowing birth right citizenship??

Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon
Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 18:55

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 18:00

From a whole range of people who were born in the states. I believe some (often racist) people call them anchor babies.
I have no interest in debating my opinions on trans issues on here. I will not change my mind. Others won’t change theirs. We both can use evidence from a range of sources. It won’t help the current situation.
The OP was about the sermon. It was a Christian sermon. It was fine. Women’s rights are hugely under threat right now. I would prefer if we could stop fighting each other. While this has been going on they over turned Roe V Wade!

So, you have nothing to really back up your claims. A child born in the USA to parents who have not got the right to live there will not be made ‘stateless’. They have citizenship in the USA. Their parents don’t.

You have used emotionally manipulative language to describe the situation.

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 19:10

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 18:00

From a whole range of people who were born in the states. I believe some (often racist) people call them anchor babies.
I have no interest in debating my opinions on trans issues on here. I will not change my mind. Others won’t change theirs. We both can use evidence from a range of sources. It won’t help the current situation.
The OP was about the sermon. It was a Christian sermon. It was fine. Women’s rights are hugely under threat right now. I would prefer if we could stop fighting each other. While this has been going on they over turned Roe V Wade!

And can I take it then that you merely ‘wish’ that female sports could use a ‘case by case’ solution to allow some male people to access a sports category designed to protect female people in both safety and equitable competition. But you have absolutely nothing to offer in that regard. Just as every other person, including the sports experts, who repeat that empty platitude.

Is it because it makes you feel that you are reasonable that you make that statement? When the reality is that your position harms female people’s sporting opportunities.

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 23/01/2025 19:13

@GrammarTeacher teacher does not consider us worthy of reply. She has much more important things to do. Apparently "Women’s rights are hugely under threat right now".

Danja2010 · 23/01/2025 19:17

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 18:55

So, you have nothing to really back up your claims. A child born in the USA to parents who have not got the right to live there will not be made ‘stateless’. They have citizenship in the USA. Their parents don’t.

You have used emotionally manipulative language to describe the situation.

It will also affect people who reside legally in the USA but are not citizens . The biggest tragedy is that Trump is trying to undo a part of the Constitution which he just swore to uphold !
He is a dangerous man .

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 19:44

Danja2010 · 23/01/2025 19:17

It will also affect people who reside legally in the USA but are not citizens . The biggest tragedy is that Trump is trying to undo a part of the Constitution which he just swore to uphold !
He is a dangerous man .

If they are residents but not citizens then they are not stateless though. Won't they be legally holding a nationality other than being a person with the birth right citizenship of the USA? So, not stateless?