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Thread 2 the one where a convicted criminal kicks off and throws all his toys out of the pram

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Marmaladelover · 17/01/2025 20:39

We needs part 2 for tomorrow and the aftermath

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lonelywater · 17/01/2025 20:40

which one is this? Sarah Jane Barker (bloke)? or someone else? I cannot keep up these days.

HarpyOfACertainAge · 17/01/2025 20:41

lonelywater · 17/01/2025 20:40

which one is this? Sarah Jane Barker (bloke)? or someone else? I cannot keep up these days.

SJB

Marmaladelover · 17/01/2025 20:47

Yes SJB . He kicked off biggly time just as the last thread was filling up. I left the Facebook group yesterday so I was relying on the updates here . Very grateful to those who posted screenshots already

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cariadlet · 17/01/2025 20:50

Placemarking so I don't lose the new thread.

TigerLily40 · 17/01/2025 20:53

The group are getting called out for gaslighting...

Thread 2 the one where a convicted criminal kicks off and throws all his toys  out of the pram
Thread 2 the one where a convicted criminal kicks off and throws all his toys  out of the pram
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TigerLily40 · 17/01/2025 20:54

And more....

Thread 2 the one where a convicted criminal kicks off and throws all his toys  out of the pram
Thread 2 the one where a convicted criminal kicks off and throws all his toys  out of the pram
Thread 2 the one where a convicted criminal kicks off and throws all his toys  out of the pram
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Thread 2 the one where a convicted criminal kicks off and throws all his toys  out of the pram
Seriestwo · 17/01/2025 20:56

Is SJB still in their chat or did they kick him out?

Sparklybutold · 17/01/2025 21:03

Well I'm in the Cardiff chat and added my pennies worth as many do not show any indication of the depth of the problems that have occured.

Sparklybutold · 17/01/2025 21:04

I just wanted to add insight into why some women have pulled out.

The Women's March, originally established in response to anti-abortion policies in America, has historically centered around the biological experiences unique to women and girls. However, recent controversies surrounding the marches in the UK, have led to significant division and discontent among many women.

Organizers have been openly degrading and threatening violence against women who have legitimate questions or concerns. Instances of shaming women for asking about suffragette colors, suggesting specific books, or wearing clothing with female-related anatomy has been prevalent in many of the groups. Some organizers have placed transgender women (TW) in the spotlight, including the now-ousted SJB. Many women voiced concerns about SJB's past but were labeled transphobic and banned, contradicting the organizers' recent statement that SJB will no longer be speaking at the march because they were originally unaware of his history. I believe the statement has recently been updated to sound more PC.

Additionally, a TRA scheduled to be present at the Edinburgh Women's March has in the past been verbally aggressive towards victims of female genital mutilation (FGM) and domestic violence (DV). For many women, it is not denying the violence and abuse that TW face, but rather the minimization of their own experiences of violence and trauma. Women expressing discomfort around men, including TW, have been told they are unwelcome, echoing the controversial stance of Scotland's rape crisis centers, where victims were previously advised to reframe their trauma—a notion later denounced following a charity commission investigation. It has now been arranged that ‘safe spaces’ will be provided in the march. Safe spaces from whom? Shouldn’t the whole of the march be safe?

The biological reality of womanhood is a crucial factor in the prevalence of violence against women and girls (VAWG). Everyday sexism, abuse, and trauma that females experience throughout their lives shape their interactions and responses. While this is not to deny that TW also face violence, the intersection of cultural practices and the biological reality of womanhood cannot be overlooked and has to remain central in discussions about VAWG. The sexual assaults and rapes we have seen throughout the world has been committed against women because they are women. The reasons for this although complex, are grounded in the fact that women are seen as less than, worthless, whores, etc etc.

Without healthy debate and acceptance of differing perspectives, the movement risks further division; ultimately excluding women. It is essential to acknowledge and address the concerns of all women to create a more inclusive and supportive environment for everyone involved and sadly this has not happened, with women being demoralised, shamed and banned from what is supposed to be their platform.

While people from all walks of life should be welcome, the focus of the Women's March should remain on women and girls, in line with its original mission. By doing so, we can ensure that the biological realities and unique experiences of women are recognized and respected.

It is worthy to mention that I was one of the women who was banned for asking questions.

Sparklybutold · 17/01/2025 21:06

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Sparklybutold · 17/01/2025 21:07

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Thread 2 the one where a convicted criminal kicks off and throws all his toys  out of the pram
Datun · 17/01/2025 21:10

Placemarking - this is like a bloody soap

TigerLily40 · 17/01/2025 21:12

Sparklybutold · 17/01/2025 21:04

I just wanted to add insight into why some women have pulled out.

The Women's March, originally established in response to anti-abortion policies in America, has historically centered around the biological experiences unique to women and girls. However, recent controversies surrounding the marches in the UK, have led to significant division and discontent among many women.

Organizers have been openly degrading and threatening violence against women who have legitimate questions or concerns. Instances of shaming women for asking about suffragette colors, suggesting specific books, or wearing clothing with female-related anatomy has been prevalent in many of the groups. Some organizers have placed transgender women (TW) in the spotlight, including the now-ousted SJB. Many women voiced concerns about SJB's past but were labeled transphobic and banned, contradicting the organizers' recent statement that SJB will no longer be speaking at the march because they were originally unaware of his history. I believe the statement has recently been updated to sound more PC.

Additionally, a TRA scheduled to be present at the Edinburgh Women's March has in the past been verbally aggressive towards victims of female genital mutilation (FGM) and domestic violence (DV). For many women, it is not denying the violence and abuse that TW face, but rather the minimization of their own experiences of violence and trauma. Women expressing discomfort around men, including TW, have been told they are unwelcome, echoing the controversial stance of Scotland's rape crisis centers, where victims were previously advised to reframe their trauma—a notion later denounced following a charity commission investigation. It has now been arranged that ‘safe spaces’ will be provided in the march. Safe spaces from whom? Shouldn’t the whole of the march be safe?

The biological reality of womanhood is a crucial factor in the prevalence of violence against women and girls (VAWG). Everyday sexism, abuse, and trauma that females experience throughout their lives shape their interactions and responses. While this is not to deny that TW also face violence, the intersection of cultural practices and the biological reality of womanhood cannot be overlooked and has to remain central in discussions about VAWG. The sexual assaults and rapes we have seen throughout the world has been committed against women because they are women. The reasons for this although complex, are grounded in the fact that women are seen as less than, worthless, whores, etc etc.

Without healthy debate and acceptance of differing perspectives, the movement risks further division; ultimately excluding women. It is essential to acknowledge and address the concerns of all women to create a more inclusive and supportive environment for everyone involved and sadly this has not happened, with women being demoralised, shamed and banned from what is supposed to be their platform.

While people from all walks of life should be welcome, the focus of the Women's March should remain on women and girls, in line with its original mission. By doing so, we can ensure that the biological realities and unique experiences of women are recognized and respected.

It is worthy to mention that I was one of the women who was banned for asking questions.

Well done 👍

TigerLily40 · 17/01/2025 21:15

Datun · 17/01/2025 21:10

Placemarking - this is like a bloody soap

Who needs TV when you have this. Never seen anything like it before 😂😂😂 Loony liberals at work!

TigerLily40 · 17/01/2025 21:17

Sparklybutold · 17/01/2025 21:07

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We could provide a list of bloody evidence. Where has that woman been?

NoBinturongsHereMate · 17/01/2025 21:22

Pathological levels of denial.

Sparklybutold · 17/01/2025 21:24

I've been kicked off

Sparklybutold · 17/01/2025 21:25

Just before being booted out I was told that the march doesn't want me, I'm not welcome.

TigerLily40 · 17/01/2025 21:26

Sparklybutold · 17/01/2025 21:25

Just before being booted out I was told that the march doesn't want me, I'm not welcome.

For raising some home truths???

Sparklybutold · 17/01/2025 21:28

Appears so. Didn't the central people say they wouldn't silence women anymore?

TigerLily40 · 17/01/2025 21:28

Sparklybutold · 17/01/2025 21:28

Appears so. Didn't the central people say they wouldn't silence women anymore?

Yes, they will apparently respect women's opinions 😂😂😂

Sparklybutold · 17/01/2025 21:32

Who is this central contact again? I did try and contact her but got nothing back. I'm not going to try again because I genuinely don't think she cares. There backwards philosophy is TWAW and so no meaningful debate can be had.

TigerLily40 · 17/01/2025 21:33

Sparklybutold · 17/01/2025 21:32

Who is this central contact again? I did try and contact her but got nothing back. I'm not going to try again because I genuinely don't think she cares. There backwards philosophy is TWAW and so no meaningful debate can be had.

One of the main and original organisers that I was liaising with who was trying to resolve all these issues stepped down.

Sparklybutold · 17/01/2025 21:36

I find it all so sordid. The superficiality of it all when fundamentally they must know that TW are not women. That the notion of 'modern inclusivity' excludes target audiences. I bet there will be TW in fetish gear tomorrow because they thrive on the attention, whilst women fawn over their bravery. Honestly makes me feel queasy.