Freedom of Information requests about SEEN and Mumsnet

[carpety]

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/user/laura_brown_4

Dozens of requests to various public sector bodies asking about SEEN Networks and MN posts made by employees.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1hobn9b/seen_network/

"There's been discussion here previously of the Sex Equality and Equity Network (SEEN). I've been using Freedom of Information requests to investigate this group's activities, particularly in the Civil Service (where they seem to have originated), and thought people might be interested in what I've learned."

Seems that this requestor is on a mission to unmask heretics.

Beautiful. So much for the vexatious requester's arrogant telegraphing of their intended 'get around'.

This particularly aggressive brand of activist has grown so used to bullying others into compliance that being told (in far more eloquent terms) to go and play elsewhere and take your friends with you must really burn.

Kudos to the author!

Nicely done whoever wrote that 👏

Ironic that the internal reviewer has used the requester social media posts as a source there.

Thanks for sharing, have been watching this thread with interest and the response to the review was a very satisfying read!

That's a novel way of spelling 'fuck off'.

Wow! Well done DEFRA. Long overdue for organisations to use the famous Mumsnet complete sentence to the vexatious whiners - NO!

It's brilliant. They might as well have written 'We can all play those silly games love!'

Oh if only Laura would channel those tenacious, investigative powers into something productive...

I ❤whoever drew up that list in such glorious and revealing detail!

Yes, I particularly enjoyed them copy and pasting the posts as evidence.

Especially as Defra didn’t even need to trawl social media to look for the requester, they could just use the FOI submitted as, when the requester shared the FOIs on bluesky, the whatdotheyknow website had a link to the bluesky posts.

That is absolutely glorious.

I wonder if Vanessa Drury, who signed off the letter, put the annex together too.

I do wish they had put in 'people are free to post what they want on mumsnet' and 'scouring the internal message boards to report on words would have a chilling effect and potentially be in contradiction to our internal HR policies'. But you can't have everything.

Lets hope the civil service and arms length bodies are starting to sort this all out internally.

It hasn't put Laura off though, she's updated the Reddit thread yesterday to reassure them that she's still fighting for them.

Apparently it's all a win win because even if the ICO tells her to Foxtrot Oscar they will have to publish a decision, and "SEEN really hate it when their activities are dragged into the light" apparently, and she suspects "that's for good reason".

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/s/QVwA26QPEm

Precisely!

Is there a 'ton' missing from the end of her Reddit username?

@titchy

What sort of mind blowing revelatory information does Laura think an investigative journalist should be trying to uncover here?

Plus I'm not sure that Laura has quite grasped that sunlight and transparency doesn't favour transactivism.

Trying to find out the names of anonymous people you disagree with, via their workplace, is not viewed as 'sunlight' by normal people.

This Laura Brown must be very bored in "her" parents basement. I'm glad "she" has found a purpose.

There is a woman with the same name who works at one of the arms length bodies in this whole range of requess.

So either it is her or someone pretending to be. It seems pretty dogmatic for someone to keep a pretence up for so long.

Investigative journalist, eh? To dig up, what, that women post on Mumsnet?

I can’t face Reddit, does the requester / Reddit user claim that the motivation behind this is a moral crusade to enlighten the general public?

I seem to recall when this was first discussed on here many months back, that the motivation expressed in the Reddit discussion was to identify and target individuals in their workplaces.

They want to name and shame any seen member, and link them to what they have said here. They seem to believe that the civil service have this information.

I can’t face Reddit, does the requester / Reddit user claim that the motivation behind this is a moral crusade to enlighten the general public?

Pretty much, yes. She seems to think it will blow up into a massive scandal.

titchy · Today 09:32

Is there a 'ton' missing from the end of her Reddit username?

Bad Titchy! You made me look at Reddit!

😂

Investigative journalist, eh? To dig up, what, that women post on Mumsnet?

I mean, what else is there to do, locked alone in our homes as we are?

That Reddit post is hilarious. She has a bit of a messiah complex, doesn't she 😅 There will definitely be consequences from Laura's actions, although I don't think they will be the ones Laura is intending. She is perfectly illustrating the vile, bullying tactics of transactivists. And hopefully it will prompt HR to review their support of "allies", particularly when they conduct themselves like Laura.

It must be very distressing for transactivists to discover that they can no longer bully and silence people into submision as they have done previously. Meanwhile, we will keep winning our rights back in the courts, and they will just have to cope 😊