Stephen Fry - Stonewall "nonsensical"

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Another Reverse Ferret dashes out of cover.

Stonewall ‘has got stuck in a terrible quagmire,' Stephen Fry tells Triggernometry. ‘I have no interest or support of this current wave of nonsensical… It’s shameful and sad.’

The Rise of the Right is the Left's Fault - Stephen Fry

Good to see on one level, but irritating at the same time Fry didn't support the truth when it was hard. He also slags off Dave Chappelle for truth telling in the same interview. Someone tried to kill him though. Thousands of women faced death threats for saying biology is real, lost jobs and opportunities. Kids had their lives ruined.

More to the point now Fry feels it is safe to come out it shows we are winning, but a LOT more to do and the genderists will resist every step of the way.

He backed Peter Tatchells sex education proposals for schools which involved teaching pupils all about mutual masturbation, in mixed sex classes, and to make it compulsory.

Iirc, parents were to be told they must turn up in person to school to withdraw their child to make it as inconvenient as possible.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/3582509-Stephen-Fry-backs-P-Tatchells-call-to-revise-sex-education?page=1

Found the relevant bit

"Parents who want to withdraw their children should be required to come to each lesson and physically remove their child and then bring them back in good time for the next lesson. This way the parental opt out option is retained but the actual opt out rate is likely to be reduced."

Gay men rape women as well. Sexual violence is violence not attraction.

There's a popular theory that women and gay men are allies. But it's not true, gay men live in very masculine worlds and they don't have a lot of women they are emotionally close to who they see impacted by sexism and misogyny and so it flies under the radar for them. Whereas some straight men have a road to Damascus moment when they see the impact on their daughters.

A few people on this thread have mentioned Robin Ince being outraged at Stephen Fry’s latestt comments.
Is this robin ince of the insufferable infinite monkey cage? I thought he was just a mediocre middling radio presenter of one show and of no consequence.

And if we want to journey further back:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin!_or_Tobacco_and_Boys

That plot is quite.... special.

A few years ago, when Hadley Freeman was still at the Guardian she wrote a column about when she was a student journalist, she interviewed a famous actor and he was very rude to her. (My memory is that he called her a "bitch", but I can't now find the column.) It was clear from context that it was Stephen Fry. I found that quite revealing about an actor who trades a lot on how nice he is.

That is indeed the Robin Ince of the Infinite Monkey Cage ThatAgileCoralBird. He was the reason I stopped listen to it years ago and I'll listen to just about anything on Radio 4. On that programme he gives off Richard-Hammond-on-Top-Gear energy.

I assumed Ince is in the Pascoe/Maugham/Tennant box of having a trans-adjacent family member or friend.

He might just be an insufferably spiteful little misogynist, though. Hard to tell from the rhetoric.

Always curious about Robin Ince's relationship with Brian Cox, given that Cox's wife is an outspoken Terf, the excellent Gia Milinovic. Cox, as far as I'm aware, hasn't uttered a word about the topic.

But also interesting (though not very) to see Ince doubling down rather than tiptoeing down the golden bridge.

Bugger, yes I did. That’ll teach me to post at 4:30 in the morning.

God, Robin Ince ruins the Infinte Monkey Cage for me. He’s like your sixth form boyfriend’s cringey mate, who can’t get a girlfriend and relies on his ‘sense of humour’ in lieu of a personality. I keep expecting him to start quoting Monty Python and Spinal Tap.

Maybe he identifies as a comedian…

More than that, there's a minority of gay men who regard women as physically repulsive, stupid, and a waste of space.

I suspect Fry is one of these.

He is also not the great intellect he thinks he is. Having a posh voice and a big chin does not make one Kierkegaard.

'Always curious about Robin Ince's relationship with Brian Cox, given that Cox's wife is an outspoken Terf, the excellent Gia Milinovic. Cox, as far as I'm aware, hasn't uttered a word about the topic.'

Gia is indeed excellent. She tweeted ages ago that RI refuses to speak to her. She found it really odd but I'm sure she'll survive 😁

This might be a case of Strategic Terfing.

I have no idea who Robin Ince or Gia Milinovic are. So I googled them.

One of the top hits was a thread on MN. About the four comment was this:

BenjiMcSchmenzie · 26/08/2021 15:53
Urgh, I was at uni with Robin Ince. I see he's still a twat.

I love MN.

(This post adds nothing whatsoever to the thread but this has greatly amused me).

He is also not the great intellect he thinks he is. Having a posh voice and a big chin does not make one Kierkegaard.

😂😂😂😂

Privately educated, very wealthy types who went to Oxford or Cambridge really have amazingly inflated egos sometimes.

Snobbery and manners does not make someone more intellectual. We sometimes miss this.

We had a recent Prime Minister that represented this phenomena well.

Stephen Fry blocked me on Twitter years ago because I said humans can't change sex. I was gutted at the time as I thought he had more integrity and intelligence than others. Clearly I was wrong.

I tweeted something the other day about Robin Ince saying I couldn't understand how Brian Cox could stand being in the same studio as him ... and Ricky Gervais liked the tweet. Considering they were once mates there's absolutely no love lost there!

I started this thread before I watched the video and thought people were saying that SF crossed the Golden Bridge. That he limped, but crossed. I didn't get that really, when I listened, although I do not have access to the substack and maybe he said something that contradicts the tropes and lies he states as facts in the video:

SF:...unlike Dave Chappelle say, not that Dave Chappelle has no right to say whatever he wants to say as a comedian I'm not going to argue with that but it's a pity that, uh, in order to show that they are supremely free in their speech a lot of comedians today will punch low.

I mean does no one have sympathy for some poor child who believes that they're born into the wrong body as far as gender is concerned, and is trying very hard to live a life that they believe that somehow they... you know this has happened in history for thousands of years there have been a certain proportion of people born like that, um, transgender. Now you know to go into the whole transgender argument it will take us down some very dark and smelly alleys I know, but essentially whatever one's view about real biological sex and gender um not to have sympathy or indeed some admiration for the bravery of children who turn up at school in different clothing, and argue their, you know, their feelings, you know, we can say that there are all kinds of reasons why they should wait before puberty blockers come or whatever it is that you know we disagree with in terms of the transgender wokeness if we want to call it that, but nonetheless not to have any sympathy for it and to use them as the butt of your humour ...

--First, did Chappelle do this?
--"poor child"
--"born in the wrong body"
--"there have always been trangenders" (paraphrased)
--"sympathy/admiration/bravery of children"
--"feelings"
and especially this:
--"we can say that there are all kinds of reasons why they should wait before puberty blockers come or whatever it is that you know we disagree with in terms of the transgender wokeness"
Is he saying he knows and KK knows that they disagree on these issues?

There are no trans children, and children are not brave or to be admired when they get confused by a social contagion. Nobody is born in the wrong body; sure transexuals and transvestites have always existed, etc etc. He should really read Cass. There is no Golden Bridge in SF's horizon, he sounds thoroughly captured.

I haven't watched any of it because I'm boycotting Trigonometry because of the twatish way Konstantin Kisin treated Bindel this week. However from what I've read it was during the paid subscription bit when someone asked a question about Stonewall and he said they'd lost their way. I don't think he went any further than that. There was a lot of criticism about how 'soft' the interview was on twitter, don't think he got any probing questions or pushback.

Fry got a ridiculously easy ride from those two, they should be ashamed of themselves. They fawned all over him.

'I haven't watched any of it because I'm boycotting Trigonometry because of the twatish way Konstantin Kisin treated Bindel this week'

He really has been a smug little shit bag over the Lily Phillips stuff. Foul. Triggernometry has become pretty unbearable, they have some serious unsavoury characters on

You might say the same about this episode…lucky MIND stepped in to help him out

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3540267/Stephen-Fry-apologises-suggesting-child-abuse-victims-grow-up.html

you can't read Macbeth because it's got children being killed in it, it might trigger something when you were young that upset you once, because uncle touched you in a nasty place, well, I'm sorry.'
The 58-year-old continued: 'It's a great shame and we're all very sorry that your uncle touched you in that nasty place - you get some of my sympathy - but your self-pity gets none of my sympathy because self-pity is the ugliest emotion in humanity.'

Ffs. How can anyone be so ignorant?