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Zoe Watts. BBC report is misleading.

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Signalbox · 15/12/2024 16:29

I cannot understand how this report isn’t considered to be misleading. Anyone who didn’t know would have no idea that Zoe Watts is a man who claims to be a woman. Surely the BBC should be obliged to make this clear even if they do use ideological language to make the point.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2ekm47m2po

“13 December 2024
A former Lincolnshire Police worker has been accused of multiple firearms offences.
Zoe Watts, who had worked as a police community support officer for more than eight years, was arrested after armed police were called to her home in Lincoln on Wednesday.
She is charged with possessing a firearm when prohibited for five years, possession of a firearm without a certificate and manufacturing a firearm weapon.
The 38-year-old, of St Helen's Avenue, did not enter any pleas when she appeared at Lincoln Magistrates' Court on Friday and has been remanded into custody until 13 January when she is due to appear at Lincoln Crown Court.”

Zoe Watts has medium-length hair, which is dyed purple and reaches past her shoulders

Former Lincolnshire police worker charged with firearm offences

Zoe Watts was a police community support officer in Lincolnshire for more than eight years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2ekm47m2po

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ArabellaScott · 16/12/2024 16:49

It was in fact Germaine Greer on the watermelon.

lcakethereforeIam · 16/12/2024 16:53

I don't know why but that's the funniest thing I've read all day 🤣.

I think it brought up a mental image of a po-faced newsreader, solemnly intoning it, then shuffling his papers and credits.

Zoe's a nasty piece of work, however you slice it.

FeegleFrenzy · 08/08/2025 14:17

PronounssheRa · 08/08/2025 14:04

Watts has just been sentenced

8.5 years

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly7nq51dlqo

Good. Hope he enjoys his time inside and hopefully is in a male prison

myplace · 08/08/2025 14:21

That’s more accurate, apart from Transwoman with a space.

Decent sentence and the judge clearly considers him dangerous.

Hermyknee · 08/08/2025 14:28

MP Robert Jenrick got confused as to what a trans woman was, when Mumsnet interviewed him. He thought it meant a woman who wants to be a man.

I think the article is not clear as some people could read that as a lesbian woman especially with the lesbian quote in there.

RNApolymerase · 08/08/2025 14:34

It does not say which prison. Hopefully the correct one.

PronounssheRa · 08/08/2025 14:43

Im fairly sure watts is in the men's wing of HMP Peterborough

There is a ridiculous justice for zoe campaign which has mentioned this before and prick news reported that it was so unfair that watts wasn't housed with female prisoners.

The gun watts attempted to create was semi automatic and capable of creating a mass casualty event. I don't think they will ever be truly safe.

NebulouslyContemporaneous · 08/08/2025 15:43

That article just makes the bare minimum gesture towards accuracy in relation to this man's sex. A single remark, halfway through, stating that he is a transwoman, after the misleading pronouns have already given the strong impression he is a woman, and the reference to the 'lesbian and gay community' has implied that he is a lesbian.

PronounssheRa · 08/08/2025 15:58

The BBC have amended the article. There was a reference to watts being a transwomen at the start of the article, which they have removed.

FFS

Zoe Watts. BBC report is misleading.
ahagwearsapointybonnet · 08/08/2025 16:29

It does still say this now, but fairly buried down the bottom: "Judge Simon Hirst described Watts – who is a trans woman – as "incredibly courteous and polite" but, passing sentence, told her it was "clear from evidence that you have an obsession with weapons"." Though the third picture (also down the bottom) makes it fairly obvious, too...

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/08/2025 16:42

According to the Telegraph, Watts is in Downview which is a prison and young offenders institution for women!!!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/08/former-pcso-troubling-search-history-3d-gun-fidget-toy/

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/08/2025 16:43

Archive link for Telegraph article:

archive.ph/UNR8N

Hoardasurass · 08/08/2025 16:53

PronounssheRa · 08/08/2025 14:43

Im fairly sure watts is in the men's wing of HMP Peterborough

There is a ridiculous justice for zoe campaign which has mentioned this before and prick news reported that it was so unfair that watts wasn't housed with female prisoners.

The gun watts attempted to create was semi automatic and capable of creating a mass casualty event. I don't think they will ever be truly safe.

Some of us remember the videos he made of him smashing watermelons that had pictures of prominent gc women on them with a barbed wire wrapped baseball bat.

ArabellaScott · 08/08/2025 19:13

'Judge Simon Hirst told Watts, who appeared at the hearing via video link from HMP Downview in Surrey, that he realised custody would be more difficult because of the former officer’s neuro-divergence, previous police career and transgender identity.
He said it was clear from evidence heard during the trial at Lincoln Crown Court that Watts, of St Helen’s Avenue, Lincoln, had an “obsession with weapons”.
Watts also has previous convictions for making an explosive substance and possessing illegal weapons, which meant the ex-PCSO was prohibited from owning any weapons at the time of arrest.
The judge said: “You told the jury you had searched the internet for bullets. You had a truly troubling internet search history, including those who had killed and notorious murderers.”'

Please tell me he's not in a women's prison? Does.Downview hold men?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/08/2025 20:12

Why is Watts, a man who filmed himself putting prominent “terf” faces on watermelons and smashing them, in a female prison?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/08/2025 20:17

He's evidently one of the fragrant "special exceptions" that the trans captured civil servants in the MoJ, prison service etc are so desperate to inflict on women in prison.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 08/08/2025 20:25

Downview is the prison with the wing specially for transwomen.

Hoardasurass · 08/08/2025 20:42

ArabellaScott · 08/08/2025 19:13

'Judge Simon Hirst told Watts, who appeared at the hearing via video link from HMP Downview in Surrey, that he realised custody would be more difficult because of the former officer’s neuro-divergence, previous police career and transgender identity.
He said it was clear from evidence heard during the trial at Lincoln Crown Court that Watts, of St Helen’s Avenue, Lincoln, had an “obsession with weapons”.
Watts also has previous convictions for making an explosive substance and possessing illegal weapons, which meant the ex-PCSO was prohibited from owning any weapons at the time of arrest.
The judge said: “You told the jury you had searched the internet for bullets. You had a truly troubling internet search history, including those who had killed and notorious murderers.”'

Please tell me he's not in a women's prison? Does.Downview hold men?

If i remember correctly its a woman's and juvenile jail that has a trans wing because they couldn't put it in a mens prison ofcourse

ArabellaScott · 08/08/2025 21:09

Okay. Thank fuck for that.

Whatthechicken · 09/08/2025 00:53

NoBinturongsHereMate · 08/08/2025 20:25

Downview is the prison with the wing specially for transwomen.

But they share facilities, the government reckon that proper risk assessments are carried out though, so all ok. This special "trans'" wing should be on the male estate. In February this year, Watts was still in Peterborough (Male Prison, there is a female prison next door, but they are completely separate)), Now he is is Downview (a female prison, separate sleeping facilities, but they do share other facilities). On May 1st 2025 (check hansard), the Ministry of Justice stated that they haven't moved any 'transgender women' into the female estate since they took office on 4th July 2024..they are now playing fast and loose with what they mean by the 'female estate'. Unless they moved Watts after May 1st 2025, they misled parliament.

'Joanna' Rowland Stuart was also moved from Lewes Prison (male prison) to Downview between 3rd June and the 24th July 2024. So either the Tories approved it during the pre-election period or the current government did when they won the election and took office on the 4th July 2024. If the current government did it, then again they have misled parliament.

The curent policy over housing males in the women's estate is unlawful. I don't believe for one minute they are going to change it. I think they will either try to pass E wing in Downview off as a separate male facility, or they will change the Equality Act.

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