And the backpedaling has begun

[Hoardasurass]

There's a couple of quotes from the hospital including that they never ment for men to breastfeed babies but were only really talking about lesbians which are completely disturbed by the author of this article by quoting the trusts own guidance 😀

NHS trust which claimed trans women could breastfeed makes U-turn https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144063/NHS-trust-trans-women-breastfeed-mothers-sussex.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

Archive link:
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20241201084127/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144063/NHS-trust-trans-women-breastfeed-mothers-sussex.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20241201084127/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14144063/NHS-trust-trans-women-breastfeed-mothers-sussex.html

Is it not disinformation when you know something cannot be true, but spread it anyway for political purposes?

Also, are they saying that women who are same sex attracted are easily confused with men?

There's a couple of quotes from the hospital including that they never ment for men to breastfeed babies but were only really talking about lesbians

It's always seemed quite obvious that it was about transmen struggling with dysphoria exacerbated by the word breast than about transwomen. Whenever this is pointed out the threads here fly into a rage and become overwhelmed with lurid posts about men secreting chemically-induced toxic pus from their male nipples and becoming sexually aroused from feeding babies. It's really Mumsnet transphobia at its worst.

It's always seemed quite obvious that it was about transmen struggling with dysphoria exacerbated by the word breast than about transwomen

What on earth are you talking about? Are you on the wrong thread? This is specifically about the trust claiming (with no basis) that transwomen's "breast milk" is as good as women's breast milk.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/transgender-womens-breast-milk-babies-nhs-trust-sussex-b1140073.html

To clarify - are you not aware what the story's about, claiming that it didn't happen, or that it's good that it happened?

The Telegraph reported that a leaked letter from a University Hospitals Sussex NHS Foundation Trust medical director said milk produced by trans-women, with the help of drugs, is “comparable to that produced following the birth of a baby

god that must be embarrassing for you newpan

This is the letter they are backpedaling on. No mention of lesbians in it but it cites an article on lactation induction on a transgender woman.

policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Policy-Exchange-Biology-Matters-COTS-Letter.pdf

As the language is designed to confuse, I presume the term ‘transgender women’ is referring to a natal male. A man in common parlance.

This is the letter they are backpedaling on. No mention of lesbians in it but it cites an article on lactation induction on a transgender woman.

I mean, there is the possibility that they were reading that article and thinking it's talking about actual women, and writing the guidance on that basis.

But that would be quite terrifying in its own way.

@NewPanDrawer

‘It's always seemed quite obvious that it was about transmen struggling with dysphoria exacerbated by the word breast than about transwomen.’

🤣🤣🤣 nice try.

😂
You evidently haven't read the original letter which openly made the ludicrous claim that secretions from transwomen could be "comparable to that produced [by women] following the birth of a baby". The BBC added to the confusion by interviewing a non expert who self identified as an expert who supported these nonsense claims.

Here's a genuine expert (Milli Hill) who analysed the whole debacle, centring (as women on here do) the safety of the baby and needs of women:

https://millihill.substack.com/p/dear-bbc-youve-got-your-facts-wrong

Good news that the NHS Trust has apologised - every time medics support this quackery people lose confidence in them and the NHS.

Mumsnet 'you're all big bad transphobes' unfounded allegations at its best!

Wee red face for you.

I think we need NHS 'expert' Kate Luxion to come back to the BBC and update us on the latest news as it's looking like the NHS and the BBC have lied to the public.

I'm commenting as a placemark just to see if NewPan comes back or if they have actually cringed themselves inside out.

If the language is that confusing that it tricks the actual experts at the top of their field, then how is it remotely appropriate for the general public to try and parse.

Oh hang on, its a flow chart isn't it?

Well well well.

PS snort at flow chart, would you like to look at that at lunch time, Alison?

This is why we #hold the line on language.

Not because we are being big old meanies.

Why do you think it’s ‘transphobia’ to know that males with fetishes should never be encouraged to force babies to suck their nipples? weird!

Here's what the BBC said at the time, following multiple complaints:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaint/thecontext19feb

Final paragraph:

"Although we believe viewers would clearly understand that the discussion represented Kate Luxion’s assessment of the existing evidence, and that this was robustly challenged with other perspectives, we accept it may have been better to have interviewed Kate Luxion alongside another voice when examining the issues raised by the letter."

I agree with Toseland. They should have Kate back on plus "another voice" with a different perspective now that this story has moved on. Kate can either join the Trust in the reverse ferret or stick to her guns. Either way, the story needs revisiting in the light of this recent development.

Plus somebody from the Trust needs to be asked on camera how this....

"Officials at the Trust say the guidelines were aimed at helping a 'small number' of lesbian women who may want to breastfeed to support their female partners who give birth."

... links to the information that they wrote about induced lactation in TW. Do they understand the difference between sex and gender identity? It's very worrying if they don't.

Edited for clarity.

Guessing Pan will be too busy namechanging to pop back 😂

Oh dear @NewPanDrawer your post hasn't gone down quite how you expected has it, did you honestly think that the indomitable women of mumsnet wouldn't have the receipts 🤣🤣🤣🤣

lurid posts about men secreting chemically-induced toxic pus from their male nipples and becoming sexually aroused from feeding babies. It's really Mumsnet transphobia at its worst.

@NewPanDrawer please could you confirm which bit makes you uncomfortable when people on here object to TW breastfeeding?

Are you saying that biological males should be allowed to give "milk" that has been made within their bodies?

Also are you saying that it's fine if a TW says it's a turn on?

Does anyone have that quote from the TW who describes how great it apparently feels? Apologies if it's already on the thread and I missed it. I remember it ends with something like "don't judge me".

Is the transphobic bit just the use of the word men when talking about this? Or is it also transphobic to object to feeding babies with unknown substances and/or getting a bit of a kick out of doing so? Clarification would be very much appreciated.

By the way, here is a link to archive.is which has some comments captured too. (The other archive link didn’t load for me)

Anyone read that article and think that that NHS Trust needs lots of fire extinguishers to put out the pants on fire.

Either no one checked the letter upon release, or no one took leadership to correct the misinformation immediately or they are now being completely dishonest and fabricating a narrative that they think is better but in reality shows them to be just as unfit as a NHS Trust. There may be some other conclusion to be drawn, I am open to hearing alternatives.

I don’t believe that they did not mean exactly what they said. The male person who fed their infant on the bus from their nipple got their treatment from somewhere. Unless that male person got the treatment privately, they would have used an NHS service somewhere. And considering that activist lives in Brighton, I would look there first. Or perhaps that activist is listed as ‘female’ on the records so the trust believes they have deniability if they did in fact treat that male person.

Sorry

archive.is/jYaxW

see also
BBC News Report on TW’s breastmilk broke broadcaster’s rules on accuracy | Mumsnet

NewPanDrawer might find it informative..