Transgender Activists Question The Movement's Confrontational Approach

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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/26/us/politics/transgender-activists-rights.html

New York Times.

comments are illuminating. Preference falsification, anyone?

https://archive.ph/QKrr9

"As for issues like drag queen story hour, a lot of people told me these are distractions for the movement. Some transgender people also find it offensive to link drag queens to their cause because drag queens are not usually transgender, but actually gay men who dress up as women for the purposes of entertainment."

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And the comments in the article, even those who are finally waking up to the terrible damage of transgenderism, don't mention misogyny, sexism.

They know that the ideology has damaged the Democrat party, and that rape and death threats probably wasn't best way to persuade voters, but other than that, they still don't get it.

Honestly. Women having to spend bloody time countering the fevered imaginings of these ridiculous, sexist, woefully ignorant and inexperienced incel men - makes my blood boil.

Which is why in Ireland they were able to sneak in the Gender Act on the coattails of the same sex marriage act. Women like me had no clue that it was even happening. It was never publicly debated or discussed properly. The implications especially.

As well as Brianna Wu having some sort of meltdown on TwiX for the last month or so (and of course referencing Gamergate, Wu always has to reference Gamergate for attempted cred 🙄), Caitlyn Jenner is broadcasting intensely that we mustn’t hurt the “true trans” when dealing with the problems caused by trans activism.

Sall Grover reposted and commented on one of Jenner’s tweets:
https://x.com/salltweets/status/1861881660238860306

“See, this is the issue: “real trans people”. It is an unfalsifiable claim. Literally any man claiming to be a woman can claim to be a “real trans person”. That is the problem. It’s how we got here! Pushing the concept of a “real trans person” will continue every one of the issues @CaitlynJenner claims to want to solve.

It’s history repeating itself. It’s doing the exact same thing but expecting a different result. It’s the definition of insanity. I also note that he don’t mention “men in women’s spaces” on his list and can only conclude there is a reason for that: he considers himself a “real trans person” and “real trans people” (who are actually just men, like every other man) are entitled access to women’s spaces.

NO.

Jenner part of the problem, not part the solution.”

I thought this was a good takedown of the arguments the article and its subjects use: https://hysteretic.substack.com/p/transgender-activists-should-also

That article is fantastic. Thanks so much for posting it 👍

This is a masterpiece! Truly breathtaking.

My favourite part was when it claimed that the Democrats have been unfairly demonising those who voted for trans people to be ejected from the US military, blocked from transitioning and banned from public life without mentioning the ongoing Republican smear campaigns to paint all trans people as pedophiles and groomers by recycling last generation's homophobic rhetoric.

I wonder when trans activists are going to learn that plopping in with hyperbolic dramatic nonsensical claims of imaginary persecution is also a losing tactic?

I used to be sympathetic to people who wanted to identify as women. But since they have been insisting they ARE women and have gone too far I now realise that saying one identifies as a woman is itself offensive and an attack on women. (No one is allowed to identify as black for good reason) Basically if a man wants to adopt stereotypical aspects of femininity I am fine with that as long as he doesn’t pretend he is an actual woman and as long as he stays out of female spaces.

Aroastdinnerisnotahumanright · Yesterday 05:51

I also had the displeasure of reading this article today
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5952727/2024/11/27/bos-nation-considers-name-change/?searchResultPosition=1 I can't share it but perhaps someone more clever than I can create an archive link.

Here you go:

https://archive.is/oXz3l

That’s bonkers.

I do like the fact that the campaign was launched at Dick’s House of Sport. Goes well with the balls.

And I found a link to Meg Linehan’s take on it (any relation to Graham?)

Goat balls?

https://archive.is/boBfK

Ha!

What part of the above is untrue? This is an outright, stated goal of Project 2025. The most powerful nation on earth is about to be ruled by a double act who have repeatedly stated their goals and have been given a clear mandate to achieve them.

There is nothing imaginary about this.

The trouble is an alarming number of MTF transitioners in the prison population are there for sexual offences. A number of trans activists have later been linked to sexual offences including child grooming. This all adds up to a public perception that some transwomen DO in fact use trans-ness to get themselves access to children. It's the old 'But how do we know who the TRUE trans are?' when the bar to entry is as low as 'Because today I feel like girl mode'.

Did you feel the same way about gay men and women during the homophobic campaigns of the 20th century that made the same claims?

The difference is that lesbian and gay campaigners back in the day worked to ensure that we were seen as equal citizens, but with a different and legitimate sexual orientation.

None of our campaigns were about removing rights from others, promoting dangerous drugs and surgery at the young resulting in sterilisation, insisting that facts and science were somehow phobic. Toxic representations of women via drag remained in adults clubs and bars where they belong. Let alone insisting on the toddler level thinking of #nodebate. Which is why most people (not everyone) accept gay men and lesbians as equal partners in society and a judge at the Supreme Court hearing this week was able to talk about the chilling impact of the GRA / Equality Act on the rights of lesbians.

Your incorrect assumptions about your audience on here and lack of insight and respect for women, lesbians & our knowledge and experiences are evident in so many of your posts

Activists like Zooey Zephyr and Veronica Ivy insist that they are not just women but biologically female. At first we had people saying it soothed their dysphoria to live as the opposite sex and that was fine; now we're at males insisting that they've always been literally female. Sorry, there's no compromising with that and I'm not interested in trying.

Gay rights took NOTHING away from females and children. Nothing. It didn't erase definitions, seek to re-order society, reposition and re-badge the oppressors as the oppressed, remove female only spaces, seek to insert males and autogynephiles in womens sports and sacred safe single sex spaces, didn't seek to sterilise children, chemically castrate them or encourage lesbians to have their breasts chopped off.

As gay men themselves have said; trans is NOT 'Gay 2.0'. Its a misogynist predatory movement that parasitically hijacked LGB to give their misogynist predatory movement a veneer of respectability.

I came out during section 28 & I do see parallels, to be honest.

Back then, a homophobic society generally frowned on people admitting that they were exclusively attracted to their own sex, and that’s happening now too. Only now the homophobes are running Stonewall.

And even Thatcher would never have suggested that children who didn’t come close enough to matching the social stereotypes associated with their sex should be given drugs & eventual surgery so they could be physically adapted to look more like the other sex.

I couldn't have put it better myself!

Stop forced teaming T with LGB.

What TRAs and those who identify as being on The Left need to realise it that doing nothing to challenge actual, violent transphobia - which includes those who commit violence on trans people because of their GI and those who agree with their methods- whilst turning on broadly liberal/lefty women, branding them bigots, nazis and fascist for disagreement has only emboldened those who actually wish harm on trans people and alienating those who had previously supported them.

If TRas/allies can’t do that, well that’s worth wondering about as well.

The irony of calling the longstanding coalition of LGBT groups 'forced teaming' when one of the most powerful and influential anti-trans crusaders on earth is a straight woman who spends an inordinate amount of time posturing as if she were the official representative of the lesbian community has not been lost on me.

The longstanding coalition is LGB. The T parasitically attached themselves to LGB without asking.

And just who is this 'anti-trans' [sic] person? I presume you are talking about some feminist, who is PRO-WOMEN. Not 'anti-trans'.

Usually the TRAs mean Jo Rowling when they say that kind of thing, though ButterflyHatched may have some other demon in mind. I've read many things Rowling has written on this issue over the years and IMHO it is completely inaccurate to say that she is 'anti-trans', although I would describe her as not believing that a man can be a woman just because he says he feels as if he is one, and I would describe her as standing up for the rights of women in the face of continued assaults by the TRAs on their rights to things such as single-sex sports, prisons and areas of vulnerability. Yes, she's pro-women, not anti-trans.

To be fair to you, it's quite hard to narrow it down to just a single person given the sizeable list of options.