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Datun · 26/11/2024 13:06

Ffs. How much more of this shit

WomensSports · 26/11/2024 13:08

WTF is wrong with choosing any of the hundreds of deserving ACTUAL WOMEN who play for fucking PENNIES holding down second jobs to do the thing they love? What is wrong with using a category for the thing it was intended for?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 26/11/2024 13:08

Wait! Did the other thread on this get disappeared? I can’t find it

ArabellaScott · 26/11/2024 13:11

Theeyeballsinthesky · 26/11/2024 13:08

Wait! Did the other thread on this get disappeared? I can’t find it

I didn't see one, had a quick look before posting.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/07/20/barbra-banda-womens-world-cup-zambia-gender-test/

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ArabellaScott · 26/11/2024 13:13

'It has been reported that Banda was excluded from last year’s competition, which served as Zambia’s World Cup qualifier, because she failed gender testing procedures. However, Telegraph Sport has established that Banda never underwent the test, with the Confederation of African Football (CAF) disclosing that the Zambians chose instead to leave her out.

“I can confirm that there was never a test conducted by CAF on Banda,” the organisation said in a statement. “We do not know the reason why she was not included in the squad or registered.”
Zambia acknowledged that they had been made aware, after Banda’s star turn at the Olympics, that her abnormally high testosterone levels were in excess of CAF’s permitted levels and that a course of hormone suppression had been offered to the striker.
But Banda, along with at least two other players – including Racheal Kundananji, also in the training camp in New Zealand – is said to have refused to take any suppressants, fearing potential side-effects.'

https://archive.ph/5LRGG#selection-3503.0-3521.205

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Snowypeaks · 26/11/2024 13:14

The other thread's title was BBC SPORTSWOMAN of the year, so maybe it is still here and wasn't picked up by a search?

MistyGreenAndBlue · 26/11/2024 13:15

Um...don't really need a testosterone test. My eyes tell me everything I need to know about this player.
That's a feller!

ArabellaScott · 26/11/2024 13:16

Snowypeaks · 26/11/2024 13:14

The other thread's title was BBC SPORTSWOMAN of the year, so maybe it is still here and wasn't picked up by a search?

Nothing coming up on a search.

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OuchyEars · 26/11/2024 13:21

Man wins woman of the year, and none of us are surprised.
What times we live in.

Snowypeaks · 26/11/2024 13:32

ArabellaScott · 26/11/2024 13:17

Edited

Yes, that's the one I meant. Forgot that the first one had been deleted.

YesterdaysFuture · 26/11/2024 13:35

This looks like a massive trolling exercise.

It's good because this will be flagged up and quickly gain controversy.

maltravers · 26/11/2024 13:44

ArabellaScott · 26/11/2024 13:13

'It has been reported that Banda was excluded from last year’s competition, which served as Zambia’s World Cup qualifier, because she failed gender testing procedures. However, Telegraph Sport has established that Banda never underwent the test, with the Confederation of African Football (CAF) disclosing that the Zambians chose instead to leave her out.

“I can confirm that there was never a test conducted by CAF on Banda,” the organisation said in a statement. “We do not know the reason why she was not included in the squad or registered.”
Zambia acknowledged that they had been made aware, after Banda’s star turn at the Olympics, that her abnormally high testosterone levels were in excess of CAF’s permitted levels and that a course of hormone suppression had been offered to the striker.
But Banda, along with at least two other players – including Racheal Kundananji, also in the training camp in New Zealand – is said to have refused to take any suppressants, fearing potential side-effects.'

https://archive.ph/5LRGG#selection-3503.0-3521.205

That conflicts with this which I cut and pasted from an earlier article and posted in the other thread last month:

'All players had to undergo gender verification, a Caf [Confederation of African Football] requirement, and unfortunately she did not meet the criteria set by Caf,' Andrew Kamanga, Zambia Football Association (FAZ) president had told BBC Sport Africa.“

The article this comes from is here: https://www.bbc.com/sport/africa/62057259.amp

perhaps the test was conducted by Zambia/a third party and the denial reported today is weasel words. It would be interesting to see what Andrew Kamanga has to say.

Barbra Banda in action for Zambia

Wafcon 2022: Zambian Barbra Banda ruled out over 'gender eligibility' issues - BBC Sport

Zambia captain Barbra Banda has been ruled out of the Women's Africa Cup of Nations after failing gender eligibility tests.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/africa/62057259.amp

WarriorN · 26/11/2024 13:48

Ffs

maltravers · 26/11/2024 13:50

Answer from the same article:
“We the federations are compelled to undertake the tests and then we pass on the information to Caf”, so yes, weasel words.
The Zambians seem to have done the test (which BB failed) which was then passed to CAF.

maltravers · 26/11/2024 13:52

So the defence is just spin. Unluckily for them, the internet never forgets.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/11/2024 13:54

https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/femenino/20220704/1001831568/polemica-exclusion-crack-zambia-copa-africa.html

Varios periodistas locales explican que el motivo de su ausencia en la lista es consecuencia de los análisis de sangre, realizados por la CAF, que revelaron un nivel de testosterona demasiado alto y un "cuerpo varonil". "Sobre la ausencia de Barbra Banda en la competición no puedo darte los verdaderos motivos. Sería mejor que le preguntes a la CAF", indicaba el técnico zambiano, Bruce Mwape.

"Several local journalists explain that the reason for her absence from the list is due to a blood analysis, carried out by CAF, which revealed a too high level of testosterone and a "masculine body". About the absence of Barbra Banda from the competition, I can't give you the real reasons. It would be best if you ask CAF" indicated the Zambian coach. Bruce Mwape."

Snowypeaks · 26/11/2024 13:59

It's open to the BBC to exclude male footballers from the running, even if Fifa and the FA allow male footballers in women's football. I would have thought. They choose who to nominate in the first place.

BonfireLady · 26/11/2024 14:12

FFS BBC.

Hopefully this blows up as big as the boxing fiasco.

I'm sure there was a second similar player in this year's women's football. Was it someone from the same team or did I maybe imagine this??

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/11/2024 14:14

No I don't think you imagined that @BonfireLady but I can't remember the name.

BonfireLady · 26/11/2024 14:18

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/11/2024 14:14

No I don't think you imagined that @BonfireLady but I can't remember the name.

I've just answered my own question on the link/info from Arabella above 😁 I'm glad I wasn't going mad.

Yes, Racheal Kundananji also from the Zambia team. Plus a mention of one other.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/11/2024 14:19

Yes STR there were 3. Banda and the one you mention and another.

DuesToTheDirt · 26/11/2024 14:56

OMG WTF

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 26/11/2024 14:59

I should have placed a bet on this outcome, as soon as I saw the shortlist. I don’t suppose I would have got very good odds, though, because bookmakers are not fools.

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