Calling all biological - cis - women. Could we all stop raping each other please? (BBC Radio 4)

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BBC The World Tonight, 25/11. Second piece was on the Supreme Court appeal, For Women Scotland v The Scottish Ministers.

They had Susan Smith from For Women Scotland and Emily Chung from Out for Independence, the LGBTQ+.wing of the Scottish National Party. In answer to why FWS shouldn’t have concerns about who should access single sex spaces, Chung argued:

"The first [concern] is a practical matter, that they oppose it on the grounds of that they feel gender identity - gender recognition certificates rather - shouldn’t grant access to single sex spaces. The answer is that they don’t.

The second argument is again somewhat of a sad one, which is that there is a presumption in the For Women Scotland's argument that same sex, or single sex female spaces in particular, are free of physical and sexual violence, and sadly that’s simply not true. Sadly, biological women - cis women - can and do commit horrible acts of violence including sexual violence including rape on other biological cis women."

Presumably this is one reason why TRAs insist that the media use wrong-sex pronouns, including when reporting rape and assault cases. If you can show - or make it look - that women are (equally?) violent and commit rape and sexual assault just like men/TW, then there is no point in having single sex spaces, and no need for them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0025d5j

When you hear arguments like that of Chung it convinces me more every day that these individuals are in the grip of a serious mental illness.

Or dangerously clueless.

If it's right that EC has a trans-identified male sibling, then she (EC) has presumably brainwashed herself into not believing the evidence of her own eyes and into using the opposite pronouns for her sibling that she used for the first however many years of their lives. That is her choice. She can't force the rest of us to follow her down this rabbithole.

It must be difficult to argue the TRA and stay sounding sane.

There's no logic to the premise that men can become women in the first place. But then having to argue the next level - that these men are different to other men therefore need space away from the other men, but that doesn't affect women because, really, there's no difffrence between men and women.

I know a woman who was sexually assaulted through penetration by her lesbian partner. She has ptsd from the event. It does happen and should be taken seriously. But it is intimate partner rape. Im not worried about intimate partner rape when I’m in a public changing room. Or in any public place walking home after dark etc. I’m worried about a stranger who wont take no for an answer.

Who is she including in the word woman.

I wrote in to suggest that producers use a fact check on that last assertion. It was outrageous that this was stated as the last statement and was not challenged the presenter as it was such a lie.

Same age, same experiences, recently thinking how much like Greg Wallace my brothers were, met very few good men in my life, and were they? who can tell when there are loving husbands like Pelicots.

Ah, yes, they don't have to let them in, but they do, because they're supportive and kind unlike us harridans - we just don't understand inclusivity you see.