Calling all biological - cis - women. Could we all stop raping each other please? (BBC Radio 4)

[Mmmnotsure]

BBC The World Tonight, 25/11. Second piece was on the Supreme Court appeal, For Women Scotland v The Scottish Ministers.

They had Susan Smith from For Women Scotland and Emily Chung from Out for Independence, the LGBTQ+.wing of the Scottish National Party. In answer to why FWS shouldn’t have concerns about who should access single sex spaces, Chung argued:

"The first [concern] is a practical matter, that they oppose it on the grounds of that they feel gender identity - gender recognition certificates rather - shouldn’t grant access to single sex spaces. The answer is that they don’t.

The second argument is again somewhat of a sad one, which is that there is a presumption in the For Women Scotland's argument that same sex, or single sex female spaces in particular, are free of physical and sexual violence, and sadly that’s simply not true. Sadly, biological women - cis women - can and do commit horrible acts of violence including sexual violence including rape on other biological cis women."

Presumably this is one reason why TRAs insist that the media use wrong-sex pronouns, including when reporting rape and assault cases. If you can show - or make it look - that women are (equally?) violent and commit rape and sexual assault just like men/TW, then there is no point in having single sex spaces, and no need for them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0025d5j

Sadly, biological women - cis women - can and do commit horrible acts of violence including sexual violence including rape on other biological cis women.

She's not only redefined women, she's redefined rape. In a woman only space, there would be no penis, and therefore no rape.

Yes they can be done under joint endeavour. Curiously in the 8 year period before males could be counted as women for sex crimes there were no recorded instances of women committing rape. In the 8 year period following men being recorded as women for sex crimes there were 400 cases of women committing rape. Either women have suddenly become very fond of joint endeavour rape or it was rape with a penis. My money is on all those 400 'women' perpetrated rapes is entirely down to including trans identifying men in women's crime statistics. The fact that rape is defined as penetration by a penis makes this crime rather hard to hide by arguing women do it too.

In some jurisdictions, 'rape' includes penetration with an object, so technically a woman could be guilty of rape.

But not in the UK.

And can we please not set the bar at rape? If that is where it is, when we are in the women's changing room at the sports' centre and there are naked men in our showers but they don't rape us - well, there's no problem, is there?

Apart from yes, there is the massive fucking problem of men imposing themselves on us in all manner of ways that so many of them seem to thoroughly enjoy.

Our privacy and dignity are just as important as our safety.

@Apollo441, that’s a shocking statistic. Please could you supply the source? Always good to have ammunition.

Thanks in advance

This is my second FFS of the day and it's not even 7.30 yet 🤦‍♀️

In Scotland that's true, not sure about RUK.

Chung has a male sibling who says he is a woman.

Chung is in Scotland, so in theory it's possible for a biological woman to have transitioned, had a faux penis grafted on, and been convicted for rape.

I wonder if this has ever happened.

ArabellaScott · Today 07:37

Chung has a male sibling who says he is a woman.

Well, that explains a lot.

On SA by women, I read of one who sexually assaulted two different women in a nightclub, earlier this year. At 54, I don't think I've ever seen such a story before, it must be vanishingly unusual.

Exactly how are they ignoring this

There are also voyeurism, exibitionism, harrassment and sexual assault. None of which women want to encounter when we're just out for a bit of exercise.

That interview was insane…

“you have a board and you’re looking to get 50% women. An applicant walks in (Jane Doe) she has long hair, uses she/her pronouns, she’s called Jane, she’s dressed femininely. In those social situations your not going to do any of the tests that would distinguish a tw from a non-tw so it wouldn’t make sense to include them as separate … tw live socially as women for the vast majority of situations … tw will have more understanding of pregnancy and maternity because they have to have lots of medical interventions” (not an exact transcript)

They live in la-la land.

Er...not many TiMs pass as women. And understanding pregnancy and birth because you have had surgery? Duh? Where did that idea come from? The entitlement of the suggestion could only belong to men.
Also, 'women' are now non-tw? Non-transwomen?

This.

There are also voyeurism, exibitionism, harrassment and sexual assault. None of which women want to encounter when we're just out for a bit of exercise.

Exactly.

I just want to echo what @WearyAuldWumman said. Have experienced SA from men. Never a woman. (Version 1.0 woman I mean)

These people live in a fantasy world.

May as well argue that there's no need to be wary of snakes when visiting India as we have venomous snakes in the UK

Very rare, and no-one thinks they actually did the penetrating with a penis.

“you have a board and you’re looking to get 50% women. An applicant walks in (Jane Doe) she has long hair, uses she/her pronouns, she’s called Jane, she’s dressed femininely. In those social situations your not going to do any of the tests that would distinguish a tw from a non-tw so it wouldn’t make sense to include them as separate … tw live socially as women for the vast majority of situations … tw will have more understanding of pregnancy and maternity because they have to have lots of medical interventions” (not an exact transcript)

Yes she basically said that the concern about the board was that FWS supposed there would be a 100% male perspective if a board was 50% and 50% "trans women" but that was really really unlikely and also they live as women anyway so don't have a male perspective

It was the maddest interview I've heard in a long time. I don't think it was the win EC thought it might be.

Rff defer r

Have been flashed at( several times ), groped repeatedly ( once memorably in a chip shop queue) , pursued down a dark street by a masturbating person and surprise ,surprise all of these people had penises. Not once have I been assaulted by a " vagina presenting" person. Strange ,no?

Is the logic then that women rape other women anyway so let's let the men in to rape them some more?