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Matt Walsh thinks gender ideology has now been defeated in the USA - is he right?

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bluefingertips · 22/11/2024 10:23

Basically he thinks that making congress bathrooms single sex is a sign that the debate has been won. That Senators are now prepared to speak out on this issue in a way they wouldn't have three years ago.

He thinks the argument have been won and its just a matter of hoovering out the last remains of GI from other institutions in the USA.

Do you think he is right and if so, will this have a ripple affect elsewhere in the world?

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MalagaNights · 22/11/2024 14:03

He also got Robin D Angelo to role play a work scenario in which he as a black person challenged her on smiling too much at him (this is a key sign of racism according to RDA) then the next week accused her of not smiling at him enough.
It was incredible to watch RDA try to maintain her total acceptance of any challenge of racism and accomodation (he said he wanted seperate corridors for them) despite him making it absurd.

It's a shame it's paywalled more people should see it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/11/2024 14:05

Gareth Roberts put it very well in his article about BlueSky today:

Anybody who self-IDs as a kind, nice person on the right side of history is almost always a status-craving sociopath who will say anything, tolerate anything, to stay in their tribe.

www.spiked-online.com/2024/11/22/bluesky-is-hell-on-earth/

bluefingertips · 22/11/2024 14:13

Sorry of the derail, but I think it illustrates that MW is about calling out all identity politics absurdity and not necessarily specifically invested in the trans issue
Yes he is. I think he is quite open on this, as is the Daily Wire type Right in America. They explicitly see themselves as fighting against identity politics/ wokeism.

And the Democrats were seen as caring more about these 'minority' social/ cultural issues, rather than the very real practical issues facing voters and that was a factor in why they lost.

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lonelywater · 22/11/2024 14:16

no, not until Butler is run out of town by a pitchfork wielding mob, no.

bluefingertips · 22/11/2024 14:19

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/11/2024 14:05

Gareth Roberts put it very well in his article about BlueSky today:

Anybody who self-IDs as a kind, nice person on the right side of history is almost always a status-craving sociopath who will say anything, tolerate anything, to stay in their tribe.

www.spiked-online.com/2024/11/22/bluesky-is-hell-on-earth/

Just read that article. LIke this bit:

Having discovered that they are massively, disastrously out of touch – thanks to the Trump landslide – their solution has been to self-isolate, and to make themselves even more out of touch

Why Trump won

Batya Ungar-Sargon, Zaid Jilani and Nick Gillespie on the great revolt of 2024.

https://www.spiked-online.com/video/why-trump-won/

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bluefingertips · 22/11/2024 14:20

Sorry, its an accident that article is linked to!

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thatsthewayitis · 22/11/2024 14:26

I'm American living abroad. The universities and hospitals (ground zero for DEI + gender) get a ton of money from the Federal Gov't. If Trump yanks the $ from them. It will stop the whole business which is built on money.
For the private businesses, being sued + insurance rates will stop it.
It looks like the next grift is surrogacy.

Americans want

  1. to be prosperous
  2. to have cheap gas (so they can drive their big cars)
  3. to be left alone by the govt

If Trump cuts inflation, makes a booming economy there will be 8 years of President Vance.
Read this by Konstantin Kissin, he totally gets the American psyche
10 Reasons you didn't see (Republicans) this coming

Lovelyview · 22/11/2024 14:36

Echobelly · 22/11/2024 12:01

Maybe he's right but don't forget 'gay ideology' is next. They got those trans people on the run so it's time to get those gays safely back in the closet. Then after that it's 'feminist ideology' and getting those women back in the kitchen and pregnant. All of this was a wedge issue to move the Overton window to make reestablishing total patriarchy look 'moral' and 'normal'.

That's absolute nonsense. Transgender ideology is homophobic and anti-women. There is absolutely no reason to think that the Republicans plan to - for example - roll back gay marriage rights or stop equal pay rights for women. In fact. They're not planning to roll back these rights for people who identify as transgender. They are planning to reverse areas where sex has been replaced with gender identity (for example in Title IX) There also seems to be a move to make toilets single sex on Federal property.

borntobequiet · 22/11/2024 14:39

Alphaalga · 22/11/2024 13:51

Walsh is just another yapping sound-biter whose brain belongs in one of the nutshells he thinks he's succinct enough to fit every issue into.

That twanging jaw-harp noise he makes isn't so much him talking as his cranium echoing the cerebral flatulence.

Nice soundbitery there from you, I have to say.

thatsthewayitis · 22/11/2024 14:48

bluefingertips · 22/11/2024 13:28

Also women who pay thousands to be called racist at a dinner party are quite a self selecting group so maybe not refcetibe of women in gneral?

It is true that selecting to be a dinner party where you are told you a horrible white racist is probably not putting you in your most boundary setting frame of mind. I was really struck though that even when that woman stood up to him, no-one had her back.

Women are socialized to be agreeable and it wasn't that long ago that we depended entirely on men (fathers, husbands) 1950s.

This is why Nancy Mace is so important. She is unapologetically aggressive and confrontational and says words like balls. As I tell my lesbian sisters (we all have crushes on her) she's the 1st female graduate of the Citadel, a very prestigious Southern military college. I cannot imagine the hazing she got. You have to be twice as tough and aggressive as the macho males there. She's famous now, deservedly so, and imagine she will continue.
Buh-bye transcult!

MalagaNights · 22/11/2024 15:05

thatsthewayitis · 22/11/2024 14:26

I'm American living abroad. The universities and hospitals (ground zero for DEI + gender) get a ton of money from the Federal Gov't. If Trump yanks the $ from them. It will stop the whole business which is built on money.
For the private businesses, being sued + insurance rates will stop it.
It looks like the next grift is surrogacy.

Americans want

  1. to be prosperous
  2. to have cheap gas (so they can drive their big cars)
  3. to be left alone by the govt

If Trump cuts inflation, makes a booming economy there will be 8 years of President Vance.
Read this by Konstantin Kissin, he totally gets the American psyche
10 Reasons you didn't see (Republicans) this coming

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That is interesting thanks and does start to clarify what I had been beginning to grasp from listening to US commentary.

RoyalCorgi · 22/11/2024 15:07

The Gareth Roberts article is very funny. And right.

None of us really knows how this is going to pan out. But my thought is that we've got to the moment in the Emperor's New Clothes (and I know we've done this analogy to death) where the little boy shouts: "The emperor is naked!"

Is there really, truly, any going back from that moment? Yes, some people are doubling down. The Guardian's articles this week have been even madder than usual, and the same with the BBC. AOC is practically frothing at the mouth. But isn't that because they know, deep down, the jig's up? Once a decent chunk of the population (what Malcolm Gladwell would call a tipping point) have decided the emperor is naked, then the rest can carry on screaming louder and louder about how beautiful his clothes are, but no one is going to believe them. It's a completely futile exercise, and sooner or later they will have to admit it.

Lovelyview · 22/11/2024 15:42

Article by American political analyst and journalist Leor Sapir about the problem the Democrats have created for themselves. By framing it as a 'rights' issue they will find it hard to row back on it but row back they must.

I particularly enjoyed this sentence: 'The “contact hypothesis,” which predicts that the public becomes more sympathetic to a group and its expressed needs as contact with members of that group become more routine, has not held in the case of people who identify as transgender. Quite the opposite, in fact: as the American public became more familiar with such people, it became less accepting of the transgender movement’s belief system and policy preferences.'

www.city-journal.org/article/a-democratic-reckoning-on-gender-identity?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Organic_Social

duc748 · 22/11/2024 15:44

Heh! Sounds like masterful understatement!

MaggieBsBoat · 22/11/2024 15:55

We need to follow the money.

GI comes from big Pharma who are making billions out of medicalising an ideology. It’s bloody genius.
See misogyny, see how they can monetise it, create a left wing monster that rivals anything created by the actual left wing in the last century. I kind of admire it. It’s elegant and simple, effective and absolute.
Horrifying.

EasternStandard · 22/11/2024 16:05

Igmum · 22/11/2024 10:48

No. It is deeply and institutionally entrenched in far too many places, as in the UK - perhaps even more so. There are far too many people who think they are the good guys or who are making a hell of a lot of money out of this who will not back down. This is our opportunity to persuade the reasonable woman on the Clapham omnibus. Sport is a great help. Many ordinary people who wouldn't dream of reading about gender wars are shocked by men stealing women's achievements and scholarships and see right through the gaslighting.

I think so too

TheKeatingFive · 22/11/2024 16:18

Lovelyview · 22/11/2024 15:42

Article by American political analyst and journalist Leor Sapir about the problem the Democrats have created for themselves. By framing it as a 'rights' issue they will find it hard to row back on it but row back they must.

I particularly enjoyed this sentence: 'The “contact hypothesis,” which predicts that the public becomes more sympathetic to a group and its expressed needs as contact with members of that group become more routine, has not held in the case of people who identify as transgender. Quite the opposite, in fact: as the American public became more familiar with such people, it became less accepting of the transgender movement’s belief system and policy preferences.'

www.city-journal.org/article/a-democratic-reckoning-on-gender-identity?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Organic_Social

Great article.

Pamela Paul and Helen Lewis are walking a very interesting line on this. Softly, softly.

TheKeatingFive · 22/11/2024 16:21

The question of how the Democrats walk back from this is a challenging one alright.

They will have to find a way however, if they want a chance of winning again.

duc748 · 22/11/2024 16:27

'Your tax dollars' paying for gender 'medical care' for prisoners is never going to sell well in America. It's so obvious, you'd think it wouldn't need saying....

UtopiaPlanitia · 22/11/2024 16:35

bluefingertips · 22/11/2024 10:42

I think GI arose from good old fashioned misogyny. Look how no-one cared about what GI meant for women and girls.

Gender ideology has existed in the culture in some form or other for at least 100 years (Einar Wegener aka Lili Elbe being the first very noticeable example). Menno did an interesting video exploring it all:

ChessorBuckaroo · 22/11/2024 16:35

thatsthewayitis · 22/11/2024 14:26

I'm American living abroad. The universities and hospitals (ground zero for DEI + gender) get a ton of money from the Federal Gov't. If Trump yanks the $ from them. It will stop the whole business which is built on money.
For the private businesses, being sued + insurance rates will stop it.
It looks like the next grift is surrogacy.

Americans want

  1. to be prosperous
  2. to have cheap gas (so they can drive their big cars)
  3. to be left alone by the govt

If Trump cuts inflation, makes a booming economy there will be 8 years of President Vance.
Read this by Konstantin Kissin, he totally gets the American psyche
10 Reasons you didn't see (Republicans) this coming

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The american pysche is conquest, dehumanization and subjugation.

The white settler entity that is america, "founded" by a group white, privileged racist elites, wouldn't exist but for these traits.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/05/facebook-declaration-of-independence-hate-speech

The London School of Economics on these elites which included tyrants like george washington and thomas jefferson:

"The dominant elite were the wealthy landowners who held people in slavery, the so-called "planter class". Their influence in politics before the war can best be illustrated by highlighting that of the 15 presidents before Abraham Lincoln, eight held people as slaves while in office."

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2020/10/23/enslavers-dominated-southern-politics-long-after-the-civil-war-ended/

And JD Vance, designated "white trash", the reason his ancestors were seen as "white trash" is because the elites, the "planter class", dominated the white settler entity with all the best land and resources, land taken from the Natives who were then forced into cages, while the African slaves (of which there are 43 million descendants who live there today) were made to work the land to produce wealth for the white elite.

Facebook labels declaration of independence as 'hate speech'

The website told a local newspaper they violated its community guidelines by posting the original document

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/05/facebook-declaration-of-independence-hate-speech

PTSDBarbiegirl · 22/11/2024 16:39

He’s a tiresome prick, I’d rather take advice from a woman who understands the issues and isn’t pushing clickbait.

UtopiaPlanitia · 22/11/2024 16:46

NotMyCircus99 · 22/11/2024 13:27

They’re not very bright.

And they’re stuck permanently on ‘broadcast only’ mode so no meaningful discussion is possible - which is frustrating because MN users are often capable of very nuanced and thoughtful discussions, when allowed.

annejumps · 22/11/2024 17:11

As others have said, MW wants to center this issue around himself and his 'bravery' in taking on all 'wokeness.' Outside the US, MW might seem like a friendly force but he's essentially a troll trying to make money.

TempestTost · 22/11/2024 17:23

bluefingertips · 22/11/2024 10:42

I think GI arose from good old fashioned misogyny. Look how no-one cared about what GI meant for women and girls.

I don't really think that's an adaquate explanation of what we've seen happen with this, across the world, and mainly on the progressive left.