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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Matt Walsh thinks gender ideology has now been defeated in the USA - is he right?

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bluefingertips · 22/11/2024 10:23

Basically he thinks that making congress bathrooms single sex is a sign that the debate has been won. That Senators are now prepared to speak out on this issue in a way they wouldn't have three years ago.

He thinks the argument have been won and its just a matter of hoovering out the last remains of GI from other institutions in the USA.

Do you think he is right and if so, will this have a ripple affect elsewhere in the world?

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Echobelly · 22/11/2024 12:01

Maybe he's right but don't forget 'gay ideology' is next. They got those trans people on the run so it's time to get those gays safely back in the closet. Then after that it's 'feminist ideology' and getting those women back in the kitchen and pregnant. All of this was a wedge issue to move the Overton window to make reestablishing total patriarchy look 'moral' and 'normal'.

TheKeatingFive · 22/11/2024 12:01

Echobelly · 22/11/2024 12:01

Maybe he's right but don't forget 'gay ideology' is next. They got those trans people on the run so it's time to get those gays safely back in the closet. Then after that it's 'feminist ideology' and getting those women back in the kitchen and pregnant. All of this was a wedge issue to move the Overton window to make reestablishing total patriarchy look 'moral' and 'normal'.

That's nonsense though

Igmum · 22/11/2024 12:03

@Echobelly the gender ideology lobby has already damaged gay rights, gay children and women's rights. I don't disagree that right wing ideologues hate everyone but getting rid of gender ideology and restoring sanity is a massively positive step for anyone who is LGB, female, autistic or in care.

izimbra · 22/11/2024 12:05

Love that you're lauding a guy who's openly, aggressively misogynist - because he's dunked on transgender people.

Wood.
Trees.

Grammarnut · 22/11/2024 12:06

cheezncrackers · 22/11/2024 10:57

Agreed - individual states make their own rules and the blue states are totally captured. Plus, standing up to Trump/the GOP on this is a matter of principle for them. They will NOT change their minds just because the party that happens to be in govt for the next four years (led by a man they universally hate) had made a rule that so far only affects the Capitol and may possibly be rolled out to include federal buildings nationwide.

I have family and friends in blue states and for the believers in gender ID the level of capture is DNA-level deep. They have been indoctrinated for so long to be kind, be tolerant, that TWAW and TMAM and that anything else is hateful and bigoted, that I can't see that changing.

SIL is a state employee in a blue state and despite having two degrees she has absolutely zero understanding of the GC viewpoint. She thinks I come from a quaint little island where our views are backward and we haven't been educated. Because she's my SIL and I don't want to upset her and because anything I say just elicits a tolerant smile from her, I realise that I can't say anything that will change her mind. She is 100% captured, but so are many other people I know. School teachers, college professors, artists, web designers, you name it. All totally and utterly captured and without any curiosity or questioning about it.

I think the US's capture has something to do with the way that Evangelical Christianity is a major thing. The mindset is to believe spiritual ideas. Also, as Chesterton said, when people stop believing in God, they don't stop believing they just believe in anything that turns up - hence crystals etc and GI.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/11/2024 12:07

He wants the "gender identity war" to have started and ended around the times that he first became interested in using it and when it became surplus to his requirements.

Perfectly put.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/11/2024 12:10

Love that you're lauding a guy who's openly, aggressively misogynist - because he's dunked on transgender people.

Matt Walsh is a dick, but both he and I agree the sky is blue. He's a good speaker on this specific issue and he's undoubtedly been influential in the US. That's where any "lauding" ends.

bluefingertips · 22/11/2024 12:12

izimbra · 22/11/2024 12:05

Love that you're lauding a guy who's openly, aggressively misogynist - because he's dunked on transgender people.

Wood.
Trees.

Sorry, who lauded him? Not me. MW is openly anti-feminist, and openly believes in male leadership over women. I know that.

Saying,. 'this bloke who is interested in this topic, thinks this specific thing, do you think he is right on this specific thing?' is very clearly not lauding him, but is, very obviously, only asking if his take on this specific question is right.

Its hard for me to understand how you can be so utterly ideologically captured that you cannot see this, but instead utterly misunderstand the conversation that is taking place. But then again, if you refuse to ever engage in any way with someone you have decided you disagree with, it is NOT hard to understand how you got so ideologically captured.

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ByMerryKoala · 22/11/2024 12:12

Quite. I don't see any lauding. I see people listening to and considering the merits and limitations of someone's opinion.

TheKeatingFive · 22/11/2024 12:14

An enormous part of the problem here is the Left's intensely tribal thinking. They seem to not be able to get their heads around the fact that the rest of us can agree with people on some issues but not others.

izimbra · 22/11/2024 12:16

ByMerryKoala · 22/11/2024 12:12

Quite. I don't see any lauding. I see people listening to and considering the merits and limitations of someone's opinion.

An aggressive, far right misogynist.

Who you seem to share an ideology with around sex and gender.

Hmm

But yes - targeting the only transgender member of government with a toilet ban will absolutely reduce gender based violence at a population level I'm sure.

😂

OvaHere · 22/11/2024 12:17

Echobelly · 22/11/2024 12:01

Maybe he's right but don't forget 'gay ideology' is next. They got those trans people on the run so it's time to get those gays safely back in the closet. Then after that it's 'feminist ideology' and getting those women back in the kitchen and pregnant. All of this was a wedge issue to move the Overton window to make reestablishing total patriarchy look 'moral' and 'normal'.

This is basically just saying one group of men can't be called out on their treatment of women in case another group of men do something bad in retaliation.

The common denominator here - men - whether they're wearing dresses or trousers.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 22/11/2024 12:17

To quote Big Win. "It is not the end, nor even the beginning of the end, but it is perhaps, the end of the beginning."

The horrible effects of TRA madness and its danger for women and girls is now out there under a great big spotlight.

You know it's dying because AOC, ever a sharp arbiter of the directions in which social fashions are tending, has quietly deleted her pronouns from her SM bio.

It's dying, and it'll die in public, embarrassingly, amid a maelstrom of arrests, class action lawsuits, and hysteria.

TheKeatingFive · 22/11/2024 12:19

izimbra · 22/11/2024 12:16

An aggressive, far right misogynist.

Who you seem to share an ideology with around sex and gender.

Hmm

But yes - targeting the only transgender member of government with a toilet ban will absolutely reduce gender based violence at a population level I'm sure.

😂

So why do you think men should be on women's toilets? 🤔

ByMerryKoala · 22/11/2024 12:20

I don't share an ideology with him. I share an observation of the truth with him. I doubt we'd see much overlap on a venn diagram of opinions, given I'm a pro-choice, atheist who is happy to call herself a feminist.

OvaHere · 22/11/2024 12:20

izimbra · 22/11/2024 12:16

An aggressive, far right misogynist.

Who you seem to share an ideology with around sex and gender.

Hmm

But yes - targeting the only transgender member of government with a toilet ban will absolutely reduce gender based violence at a population level I'm sure.

😂

It's not a toilet ban. McBride can use male toilets, unisex toilets or their own private office toilet. That's a choice of three places to do one's business.

izimbra · 22/11/2024 12:31

Nazis - not all bad. At least not in regard to attitudes towards transgender people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransgenderpeopleeinNaziiGermany

TheKeatingFive · 22/11/2024 12:34

izimbra · 22/11/2024 12:31

Nazis - not all bad. At least not in regard to attitudes towards transgender people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransgenderpeopleeinNaziiGermany

You realise how ridiculous this id making you look, don't you?

I mean Hitler was a veggie and a dog lover. So that means all vegetarians and dog lovers are evil, amirite?

MarieDeGournay · 22/11/2024 12:41

izimbra · 22/11/2024 12:31

Nazis - not all bad. At least not in regard to attitudes towards transgender people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransgenderpeopleeinNaziiGermany

It's ahistorical to talk about 'transgender' people in the 1930s and 40s.

But silly me - if Wikipedia says there were transgender people in Nazi Germany, it must be true because Wikipedia is so objective about anything to do with trans issues, isn't it?🙄

WarriorN · 22/11/2024 12:44

My god no he's wrong

Peregrina · 22/11/2024 12:45

But yes - targeting the only transgender member of government with a toilet ban

So he who wants to be called she, has a choice of three toilets. How many of us women could do with proper provision of enough toilets in public places? How often do we have to queue for the Ladies? Ever heard of a queue for the Gents?

Shortshriftandlethal · 22/11/2024 12:49

Who is Matt Walsh......never heard of him.

bluefingertips · 22/11/2024 12:53

izimbra · 22/11/2024 12:31

Nazis - not all bad. At least not in regard to attitudes towards transgender people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransgenderpeopleeinNaziiGermany

You really didn't learn anything from the crash and burn Democratic party Presidential campaign did you?

Come back when you have reasoned arguments.

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MalagaNights · 22/11/2024 12:54

I think it's a watershed moment not the end.

But while we're chatting about Matt Walsh has anyone else seen his movie 'Am I Racist'?

Bits of it work better than others but 😳when he got Robin D'Angelo to give $20 to his producer because as reperations as he was black, or got the people on his course to yell Fuck You at his old racist wheelchair bound Uncle Frank.
Or the dinner party where white women paid to get told 'your are all pathetic you white women.'

Matt walsh is divsive figure but my god he's prepared to go to limits other wouldn't to reveal the absurdity of identity politics.

MalagaNights · 22/11/2024 12:56

Shortshriftandlethal · 22/11/2024 12:49

Who is Matt Walsh......never heard of him.

He's a right wing catholic US commentator aka as a far right nazi.