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Republican Congresswoman bring forward Bill to ban transwomen from female facilities in Congress

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Hoardasurass · 19/11/2024 07:26

The quoted comments from the congresswoman are brilliant

First trans member lawmaker blasts GOP after bill blocks bathroom use https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14098953/nancy-mace-trans-lawmaker-bathroom-capitol-hill-sarah-mcbride.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

First trans member lawmaker blasts GOP after bill blocks bathroom use

A trans war has broken out on Capitol Hill after a Republican lawmaker proposed a measure to block transgender women from using biological women's restrooms in the U.S. Capitol. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14098953/nancy-mace-trans-lawmaker-bathroom-capitol-hill-sarah-mcbride.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

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AlisonDonut · 21/11/2024 07:42

nolongersurprised · 21/11/2024 07:38

Maybe it’s not allowed to say it whilst walking?

Women are just supposed to strut and look purty.

Not stride and talk - AT THE SAME DAMN TIME!

NotBadConsidering · 21/11/2024 07:43

There’s a man in Washington who repeatedly stands in front of a podium with a crest on with his own title on it, and announces to an audience of millions his intentions for political action. I mean, how far up your own arse do you have to be to do that? What a bigot.

Snowypeaks · 21/11/2024 07:52

JessaWoo · 21/11/2024 07:31

@Snowypeaks

Ensuring women's toilets are for women only keeps out all male people, not just McBride and "ten-foot tall predatory beasts".

There are others? Who knew?

Maybe you missed the "ten-foot tall predatory beast" picture of McBride that was conjured up by Mace so effectively. That's bigotry. No, those aren't her words, but the very presence of McBride seemed so very threatening so this motion was necessary. For one person = bigotry. For pageantry and politics = bigotry.

That was a very long winded way of reiterating that you can't point to what is bigoted about sponsoring a bill to ensure that women's toilets are for women only, or it may have been your way of explaining that you don't know what "bigotry" means.

Can you explain why you are opposed to women's single sex toilets?

SinnerBoy · 21/11/2024 07:52

PinkChesnut · Yesterday 20:41

I would strongly disagree. At worst, science is still debating and it's undecided, at best, sex is a spectrum.

Science isn't debating it, a few lower tier activists are presenting counterfactual propaganda as reasoned debate. In the US, there are evangelical geologists, who insist that the Earth is no more than 10,000 years old and that dinosaurs coexisted with humans.

They're as nutty as the ones you've presented.

RedToothBrush · 21/11/2024 07:52

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/11/2024 00:52

There isn't any proof that McBride intended to use the female facilities in exclusion of the other facilities.

The proof is the toilet selfies McBride has posted before.

They are something of an unusual pattern of behaviour aren't they?

Anyone here in the habit of taking selfies in the ladies on a regular basis?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/11/2024 07:55

PinkChesnut · 21/11/2024 05:47

How are you behaving any differently from any trans person?

You want to be in the position to tell everyone else what they are with zero push back, but refuse to acknowlege that you are not the sole arbiter of what makes a person male or female.

The science is not settled, and I personally am fine living without absolutes.

The science is settled, actually. We know who can get pregnant and who can make others pregnant.

RedToothBrush · 21/11/2024 08:01

NotBadConsidering · 21/11/2024 07:41

Man takes picture of himself in a woman’s toilet staking his claim to be in there. Powerful.

Woman strides down corridor stating her intention to keep men out of women’s spaces. Bigotry.

Makes sense.

The hidden sexism is really a sight to behold isn't it?

Women are not allowed to be assertive. They are not allowed to present in certain ways because it's 'aggressive' or worse bigoted. A man does the same and no one blinks. Indeed it's expected.

And then we get polls about 15% of Americans who would not even consider voting for a woman for President. Probably because the women spend all the time making sure they aren't caught in images looking intimidating and ensuring they look passive, so they don't scare off all the voters!

Female politicians can't win.

This might be a lesson for all that identity as women...

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/11/2024 08:05

JessaWoo · 21/11/2024 07:22

@NotBadConsidering

Why does agreeing with Mace on single sex spaces mean someone is unable to consider whether they agree with her on other things? Why does that make anyone “partisan” or akin to having had a lobotomy?

People don’t automatically agree with Mace. They agree with her on single sex spaces. Are you unable to tell the difference?

Can you explain how you expect single sex spaces to be achieved in a “pure” way? Or what is an acceptable way for that to be achieved? And who do you think will do this and be of pure enough motives, in your eyes?

Words/phrases that were in the post you responded to: "in this case" (ie. agreeing "in this case", not all cases), "partisan" (heavily in favour of a particular cause - may find it difficult to work with other sides).

Words/phrases not in the post you responded to: "pure", "pure enough motives" - my eyes couldn't roll harder. Come on. Mace did this for herself. She even had a tweet with a video of herself striding down a hallway of Congress saying "the women's bathrooms are for women only" or something.

a video of herself striding down a hallway of Congress

So you've resorted to tone-policing now.

You've lost the argument.

You might want to take a look at how tone policing is used to silence women and other marginalised people everywhere.

Cailleach1 · 21/11/2024 08:22

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/11/2024 07:55

The science is settled, actually. We know who can get pregnant and who can make others pregnant.

It’s the pronouns you use, isn’t it? If you use she/her pronouns you can get pregnant. And, if you use he/him pronouns you can be the father of the child. Or is it the other way around?

Cailleach1 · 21/11/2024 08:23

Now wibble/wobble has me a bit perplexed as to the biological implications. Science is so hard.

ArabellaScott · 21/11/2024 10:05

More helpful sunlight from Rep Zooey Zephyr:

'I literally just got out of meetings with members of Congress & used the bathroom on my way out. Trans women are women—full stop. We're every bit as "biologically female" as cis women &
@SpeakerJohnson's statement doesn't change the fact that women's spaces include trans women.'

https://x.com/ZoAndBehold/status/1859295903846207567

'Zooey', on the left.

Republican Congresswoman bring forward Bill to ban transwomen from female facilities in Congress
Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/11/2024 10:36

So you've resorted to tone-policing now

Stride-policing rather Grin

DeanElderberry · 21/11/2024 10:53

I assume all the newly elected Republicans are going to be going all-out to increase their visibility so that IF Donald Trump (oldest man ever elected President) has to stand down at any stage in the next four years and J D Vance needs a V P, they'll be in consideration.

Nancy Mace has got off to an excellent start. Having read her Wiki bio, she's an interesting woman.

JessaWoo · 21/11/2024 11:00

So funny you've all become stuck on the word 'stride'. I could have chosen 'prance' - you know, like a model on a catwalk - but that's rather misogynist, isn't it? What's a better, less offensive description? Toddle? Tiptoe? Walk itself is too boring and doesn't describe the assertive way she was walking, you see.

nolongersurprised · 21/11/2024 11:05

DeanElderberry · 21/11/2024 10:53

I assume all the newly elected Republicans are going to be going all-out to increase their visibility so that IF Donald Trump (oldest man ever elected President) has to stand down at any stage in the next four years and J D Vance needs a V P, they'll be in consideration.

Nancy Mace has got off to an excellent start. Having read her Wiki bio, she's an interesting woman.

Good point.

The thing is, it’s possible for Mace’s stance on this to be political posturing AND correct. I admire her for it.

JessaWoo · 21/11/2024 11:07

@selffellatingouroborosofhate

You might want to take a look at how tone policing is used to silence women and other marginalised people everywhere.

Have you just found this board? I've been here a long time but my views fall outside the mainstream views here. I'm quite used to tone policing and silencing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/11/2024 11:07

So funny you've all become stuck on the word 'stride'. I could have chosen 'prance' - you know, like a model on a catwalk - but that's rather misogynist, isn't it? What's a better, less offensive description? Toddle? Tiptoe? Walk itself is too boring and doesn't describe the assertive way she was walking, you see.

Why is a woman walking in an assertive way an issue for you?

Snowypeaks · 21/11/2024 11:09

JessaWoo · 21/11/2024 11:00

So funny you've all become stuck on the word 'stride'. I could have chosen 'prance' - you know, like a model on a catwalk - but that's rather misogynist, isn't it? What's a better, less offensive description? Toddle? Tiptoe? Walk itself is too boring and doesn't describe the assertive way she was walking, you see.

If you engaged with the actual questions that have been put to you, posters wouldn't have to amuse themselves in other ways.

Why are you opposed to the provision of single sex toilets for women?

And incidentally, did you notice that statement by Rep Zooey Zephyr quoted upthread?

PinkChesnut · 21/11/2024 11:09

Anyone know if Mace denounced the new male republican slogan of "your body, my choice"?

Of course she didn't. She isn't bothered if a cis man makes a statement like that, but god forbid a trans woman need to fix her makeup or take a piss.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/11/2024 11:12

She isn't bothered if a cis man makes a statement like that, but god forbid a trans woman need to fix her makeup or take a piss.

Demonstrating that you understand perfectly well what male means.

nolongersurprised · 21/11/2024 11:15

PinkChesnut · 21/11/2024 11:09

Anyone know if Mace denounced the new male republican slogan of "your body, my choice"?

Of course she didn't. She isn't bothered if a cis man makes a statement like that, but god forbid a trans woman need to fix her makeup or take a piss.

To be fair, denouncing is very 2021. It’s “aligned with” now.

The TiM can piss in the men’s toilet now, and contour his foundation there as well.

PinkChesnut · 21/11/2024 11:15

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/11/2024 11:12

She isn't bothered if a cis man makes a statement like that, but god forbid a trans woman need to fix her makeup or take a piss.

Demonstrating that you understand perfectly well what male means.

No, dear.

Just pointing out she doesn't feel trans women and cis men pose the same threat as one another even when the former is just popping into the loo for a whiz and the latter is threatening rape and forced pregnancy.

PinkChesnut · 21/11/2024 11:17

nolongersurprised · 21/11/2024 11:15

To be fair, denouncing is very 2021. It’s “aligned with” now.

The TiM can piss in the men’s toilet now, and contour his foundation there as well.

So she had nothing to say about a Republican pundit telling women that he was free to do with their bodies as he liked?

So odd of her not to even mention it! Given she is such a warrior for women's safety. A mystery that shall never be solved.

duc748 · 21/11/2024 11:17

As you should know, stats on transwomen offenders don't bear that out.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/11/2024 11:17

'Zooey', on the left.

The other male person in the photo is fake news purveyor "Erin in the Morning" who I understand is "Zooey Zephyr"'s partner.

https://x.com/aimeeterese/status/1651739875211878402

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