They sent a woman to a man's prison

[Hoardasurass]

So due to the Scottish government's and prison/crt stupid policy of recording someone's sex by how they present a female prisoner was sent to a maximum security MENS prison with the mistake only being discovered when she was strip searched by male staff. Instead of transferring her straight to a woman's prison they kept her in segregation in the men's prison overnight!
This shit has to end now and sex must be recorded

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scots-prison-staff-sent-woman-33976776?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

It's the Record and The Sun. I feel that's all I should have to say. 😂😂😂

How about the telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/27/woman-in-male-prison-scotland-gender-debate/

Lord above, I cannot sully my eyes with the wrong newspapers, Hoarda.

It seems Reddit have decided they know the 'gender identity' of the prisoner, somehow.

I'd suggest we have very little information and it's quite possible this was a woman who said she was a man.

www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1ge4hlb/woman_wrongly_sent_to_male_prison_in_scotland/

It’s an odd and incomplete story.

We generally try to protect people from their own worst ideas, no matter how badly they may have behaved. And this young woman is just one, she’s not responsible for the behaviours of the campaigning/protesting masses. She is an adult, but could still be a teenager.

And anyway, allowing her to come to harm in a male prison will damage more than just her. There is always fallout and rippling consequences.

Whatever the circumstances, this should not have been able to happen- and interesting that it’s so immediately recognised as an issue in the very place that thought it was ok to pop Isla Bryson et al in among women.

ludicrous 'story'. neither the defendant nor her legal representative thought her sex might be worth bringing up, just for the avoidance of doubt, at any point during the, y'know, trial?

@ShowmetheBotox
The trans men have actually done a lot of damage regarding maternity care and I’ve lost sympathy

To be fair a lot of the bizarre things going on are pushed by activists and not trans people themselves. I’m not in favour of the trans agenda but there are many transpeople out there completely mystified by trans rights activists.

One thing we can probably be sure about is that transmen have absolutely no knowledge or understanding of actual men, or they couldn’t possibly think they are men. So actually coming into contact with lots of real men - especially in prison - would probably be very difficult for them.

(The motivations and fantasy lives of transwomen being differently developed and driven, plus their physical advantages of size and strength, make it rather different for them in similar situations.)

Thing is she may have stated that she was a woman however we know that she was deemed a man because of her "masculine features". We will probably never get the full truth about it because we all know that this Scottish government covers up the stuff that makes them look bad

The Reddit comments are crazy!! This is the TERFS fault apparently. Not quite sure how they worked that one out since if TERFS got their way the woman's sex would have been recorded accurately ? 🤔

What changes have been wrought in maternity care??!

Quite a bit but this is a good article -

https://www.britishjournalofmidwifery.com/content/clinical-practice/trans-and-non-binary-experiences-of-maternity-services-cautioning-against-acting-without-evidence/

Well of course it's the TERFS fault...?
Mummy is always wrong and to blame!
It's not the prisoner or her solicitors fault that neither said 'excuse me Your Honour, my client while physically likes to present as a man, was 'AFAB' ' 🙄

@DysonSphere
Pregnant women being called 'gestational carriers', (handily used in surrogacy now😡,) or birthing partner, (thought that was the person with the mum?) breastfeeding being called chestfeeding, a whole heap of nonsense around pregnancy and birth and the erasure of the word woman and mother in literature around pregnancy, childbirth and breastfeeding. There's way more but that's what I can think of off the top of my head.

@GargoylesofBeelzebub Have they managed to blame JK Rowling yet? Everything is her fault according to some people! Including laws protecting child actors being really shit in the USA. 🙄

The Pink News level of argument goes something like: She was sent to a men's prison because she looked like a man. This therefore shows that sex/gender has got nothing to do with genitals

That is an excellent article!

And just to take the final sentence from the abstract to celebrate compassionate common sense:

The authors further argue that caution should be taken before using the experiences of a very small minority of service users, such as those who identify as trans and non-binary, to inform policy for all service users, and instead suggest that personalised care may be the most suitable approach to meeting the specific needs of trans and non-binary maternity service users.

People can live as they wish, be happy, stupidly think they're neither male nor female when they're pregnant (about the most female thing anyone can do). Go for it!

But as the article argues, don't change care for all service users because of the experience of a tiny monority.

And perhaps the NHS should sort out the barbaric approach to any and all birthing woman, during and after-birth injuries, and their long term effects, first?

Jo was probably the one who drove her to the prison and was singlehandedly responsible for the whole thing

Well obviously!!

The LGBT group that did the ‘research’ were very sneaky and included BAME women in to it. BAME women DO have poorer outcomes in Birth and peri natal care - there are a lot of factors that contribute to this though. At the time I was disgusted at them piggy backing on that particular set of women to bolster their claim.

There was (maybe still) talk of offering these women a private room in the hospital - which we know are like hens teeth on best of days and should be reserved for very poorly ladies.

But yes, NHS chest feeding groups and posters, midwife’s under heavy pressure not to misgender during stressful births. There was an article relating to that ‘study’ where the trans man basically hated the entire experience and felt isolated because they needed help breastfeeding but found the experience triggering. They felt the midwife was unable to offer more than the standard breast feeding help. But it was shocking to see the NHS jump in to action with a study from only 121 people AND it was taken by a lobby group.

Ive searched high a low for the original article and study but cant find it anywhere - only NHS trusts and other links discussing the findings 🧐

I think it may have been taken down because this year many medical backed studies have proved otherwise such as

ihpi.umich.edu/news/transgender-people-show-similar-pregnancy-outcomes-cisgender-people?__cf_chl_tk=Bi8ctvO7Fd8xXaiAMVIbUs1RqGuNoFpWm2mthi7DDBU-1730193764-1.0.1.1-Z3OOviY8uYD5teV32damNnQH4zcIqAQK6w71mNOyEMI#

Obviously, I share the outrage. But on what basis do the prison authorities happily put men in women's prisons, but baulk at putting women in men's?

How can they deny sex when it comes to putting men in women's prisons but suddenly recognise it when it's the other way round?

Because men.

@ShowmetheBotox @SapphireSeptember

Thanks! Great article. Also disturbing. I had no idea the NHS had been taken hostage to such a degree! It seems every time I browse on FWR some new horrific ridiculousness has emerged.

It's all about the safety of the trans prisoners not the rest of the inmates. So as its obvious that a woman in a man's prison would be at extreme personal risk its unacceptable to put 1 there regardless of their desire, whereas a man in a woman's prison is not at personal risk from the female prisoners so if he claims to be a woman they can send him to a woman's prison so long as he doesn't represent an "unreasonable risk" (they won't say what is an acceptable risk) to the female prisoners in Scotland

Because self-identified 'women' can't rape, because a man who is willing to be identified as a woman is not really perceived as a stereotypical (aka real) man according to the patriarchy.

But non trans males can rape, because they are tick box acceptable (real) men. Therefore the prisoner was in danger.

Maybe that's the dumb thinking. The patriarchy does not consider men identifying as women to be a man according to their definition. So by that measure, they cannot be dangerous to women. So they can go on the women's prison quite safely. However the woman cannot go into the 'real' men's prison.

The patriarchy has a narrow scope of what constitutes masculinity, which is half the problem.