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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Feminised words

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Davros · 24/10/2024 10:34

I've been pondering this. Why are we no longer supposed to call female acting people actresses or female funny people comediennes but stating pronouns is now possibly mainstream? It seems somewhat opposed ideas

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EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 25/10/2024 18:52

ThisBluntPlumDreamer · 24/10/2024 10:38

Interesting question! I've noticed a trend among my children's peers and my younger colleagues to use "they" for everyone regardless of sex/gender. That seems both a rational response to avoid drama (mostly) and also in-line with avoiding "authoress" and so on.

I can't say I love it myself, but language change is always like that.

It really irritates me when people use ‘they’ for a single person on MN.

I always want to ask if the person they’re referring to is non-binary. Although it’s quite funny when they slip a he or she in by mistake without noticing, then return to the theying.

Davros · 25/10/2024 23:00

I wonder if we will be getting rid of Princess anytime soon 😹
On the one hand, we are being encouraged to drop m/f identifiers, mostly for words for professions/jobs and on the other hand, we are being encouraged to make a point of identifying m/f/other, even if it doesn't reflect reality

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SerendipityJane · 26/10/2024 10:19

Davros · 25/10/2024 23:00

I wonder if we will be getting rid of Princess anytime soon 😹
On the one hand, we are being encouraged to drop m/f identifiers, mostly for words for professions/jobs and on the other hand, we are being encouraged to make a point of identifying m/f/other, even if it doesn't reflect reality

Queen Elizabeth I - the OG good queen Bess - referred to herself as a "Prince" - with very good reason.

MayaKovskaya · 26/10/2024 10:26

Also, "the heart and stomach of a King"!

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 26/10/2024 10:58

Has any idiot tried to trans her yet?

SerendipityJane · 26/10/2024 11:01

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 26/10/2024 10:58

Has any idiot tried to trans her yet?

I take it you are new here ? 😀

Sorciere1 · 26/10/2024 11:32

SerendipityJane · 26/10/2024 10:19

Queen Elizabeth I - the OG good queen Bess - referred to herself as a "Prince" - with very good reason.

Queen Christina of Sweden was given the title of "King" by the Swedish diet. She's such an interesting person but now has been 'queered.' Ugh.
What irks me is that the Royal Family changed from male primogeniture to include girls but the peerage has not.

SerendipityJane · 26/10/2024 12:10

Sorciere1 · 26/10/2024 11:32

Queen Christina of Sweden was given the title of "King" by the Swedish diet. She's such an interesting person but now has been 'queered.' Ugh.
What irks me is that the Royal Family changed from male primogeniture to include girls but the peerage has not.

The Anglo-Saxons our Norman overlords displaced also didn't use primogeniture.

And of course Egyptian rulers always "identified as" 😀men, regardless of the biological reality.

There was a fascinating documentary "She Wolves of England" on BBC4 (so hidden from the masses ,,,) a while back.

Shortshriftandlethal · 26/10/2024 12:48

MayaKovskaya · 24/10/2024 19:09

On another note, I saw an old document recently with details of women in WW1 carrying coal, counter parts to coalmen, and they were called "coal lasses", but I suspect that was regional.
I'm glad "doctoress" didn't continue as a term!

Personally hate it when women refers to themselves as heroes. Heroine is far better in my view.

I see this has already been addressed.

Sorciere1 · 26/10/2024 18:37

SerendipityJane · 26/10/2024 12:10

The Anglo-Saxons our Norman overlords displaced also didn't use primogeniture.

And of course Egyptian rulers always "identified as" 😀men, regardless of the biological reality.

There was a fascinating documentary "She Wolves of England" on BBC4 (so hidden from the masses ,,,) a while back.

Oh thanks for the recommendation, I'll look for She Wolves.
I didn't know that about the Anglo-Saxons are there any famous women to read about? I'd love to learn more.

SinnerBoy · 26/10/2024 18:44

unmemorableusername · 24/10/2024 12:50

Whereas a waiter/ waitress does the same job.

My daughter's friend's mam serves food in a Morrisons cafe and a few years back we had a bit of a conversation. It was regarding their manager wanting to go "gender" neutral - She said, I'm not a waiter, I'm not wait staff, I'm a fucking waitress."

JanesLittleGirl · 26/10/2024 22:23

Not totally on message but several years ago I found myself in a restaurant in Boston MA. The waiter told me that he would be my servant for the evening (which kind of creeped me out) and then went on to tell me that his name was Chuck (or some other name) and asked me what my name was. I suggested that we would get on fine if he addressed me as Madam. He seemed to be a little disappointed.

Davros · 26/10/2024 22:41

@SinnerBoy love your friend's mam

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