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Research results will be weaponised

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NImumconfused · 23/10/2024 17:44

...is the reason given for not publishing the data from this multi-mullion dollar study.

NY Times article

Couldn't possibly be because the study didn't support the outcome they hoped for?

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TemuSpecialBuy · 23/10/2024 17:45

This is disgraceful

they should be forced to publish their findings

IwantToRetire · 23/10/2024 17:48

For those who cant get past the paywall U.S. Study on Puberty Blockers Goes Unpublished Because of Politics, Doctor Says - The New York Times

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 23/10/2024 17:53

Well that's bullshit.

Chersfrozenface · 23/10/2024 17:54

Can lawyers subpoena unpublished research?

I'm thinking of malpractice suits by detransitioners.

NImumconfused · 23/10/2024 18:05

Justme56 · 23/10/2024 18:01

https://x.com/billboardchris/status/1848590036133900752?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

Olsen-Kennedy’s name was brought up yesterday re a detransitioner.

Interesting contrast on the suicide risk mentioned there to what she says about the mental health of the study participants (although she changed her tune about that aspect between the beginning of the study and the present).

I presume the research funding body could force publication, but no idea how likely it is that they would do that.

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ditalini · 23/10/2024 18:32

Either Dr Olsen Kennedy doesn't understand evidence based healthcare, or doesn't care. I won't speculate which.

Either way, it's not a great look.

History is littered with therapies that doctors absolutely positively knew worked wonders. Until they were studied in ways that tried to reduce bias as much as possible and found that... they didn't.

OldCrone · 23/10/2024 18:43

Olson-Kennedy has a disturbingly poor understanding of human biology for a medical doctor. She says that it's fine for a teenage girl to have a double mastectomy because “If you want breasts at a later point in your life, you can go and get them!”

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/10/2024 19:08

Is anyone surprised? This has only got as far as it has by deceit and hiding data / evidence (remember #nodebate?)

Transgender Trend wrote about some alarming links / discussions between GIDs, JOK & other gender zealots some years ago:

www.transgendertrend.com/johanna-olson-kennedy-gender-affirmative-approach/

Chersfrozenface · 23/10/2024 19:15

When Olson-Kennedy says that it's fine for a teenage girl to have a double mastectomy because “If you want breasts at a later point in your life, you can go and get them!”, she means the kind of breast implants transwomen get. So cosmetic imitations, not functioning female breasts.

Because that's what this is about - mere surface appearance.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 23/10/2024 19:27

So they set up a study to find out whether puberty blockers worked. And now won't publish it because the answer was no.

Excellent scientific rigor, there.

Ingenieur · 23/10/2024 20:43

OldCrone · 23/10/2024 18:43

Olson-Kennedy has a disturbingly poor understanding of human biology for a medical doctor. She says that it's fine for a teenage girl to have a double mastectomy because “If you want breasts at a later point in your life, you can go and get them!”

Wow, that quote about mastectomies is astonishing. Such a superficial view of things, though I suppose that's par for the course among the faithful.

IwantToRetire · 23/10/2024 20:51

Wow, that quote about mastectomies is astonishing. Such a superficial view of things, though I suppose that's par for the course among the faithful.

But I think also, which is maybe why some see actual transitioning as nothing to worry about, the increased acceptance of body modification.

Or even (opposite to transing) the number of women who seek out, often unsafe, procedures to "enhance" their femaleness.

ie social media, and popular press and tv, now make it seem that altering out bodies is just a case of having the money to do it. And it is aspirational.

Ingenieur · 23/10/2024 20:59

@IwantToRetire

Hmm, I guess the Kardashians have more to answer for than I thought!

TempestTost · 24/10/2024 01:05

IwantToRetire · 23/10/2024 20:51

Wow, that quote about mastectomies is astonishing. Such a superficial view of things, though I suppose that's par for the course among the faithful.

But I think also, which is maybe why some see actual transitioning as nothing to worry about, the increased acceptance of body modification.

Or even (opposite to transing) the number of women who seek out, often unsafe, procedures to "enhance" their femaleness.

ie social media, and popular press and tv, now make it seem that altering out bodies is just a case of having the money to do it. And it is aspirational.

I think this is absolutely correct.

There has been a real sea change in how people think about body modification, be it tattoos and piercings, fillers and Botox, or surgical interventions.

Many people now seem to see these as great ways to be your best self and questioning that is treated as if you are attacking a person's race or pointing out their physical flaws.

andIsaid · 24/10/2024 01:58

Am I right in thinking that this "study" is based on 95 children, took a few years and cost $10 million?

95 children? All this massive upside down chaos for so few.

Is that correct?

NotBadConsidering · 24/10/2024 08:46

This is massive news. A gender clinician who has performed mastectomies on children as young as 12 has deliberately hidden data showing puberty blockers don’t help. Olson Kennedy claims that he doesn’t want it “weaponised” but he is weaponising it by hiding it. The scandal continues.

Iamnotalemming · 24/10/2024 09:10

I read on the NYT article that O-K has been acting as an expert witness in court cases in the US (which is likely to have well paid). Clear conflict of interest / partiality there in circumstances where blocking the results of a scientific study.

BonfireLady · 24/10/2024 09:12

Not sure how long it will stay up for but Johanna Olsen-Kennedy's wiki page currently has a section called "controversy". The time stamp is from one hour ago.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johanna_Olson-Kennedy

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fromorbit · 24/10/2024 11:10

The study and the coverup is probably going to end up in evidence in the many US detrans court cases along with a lot of other stuff happening right now. If this isn't the US tipping point now it is coming. Discussion here:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5191432-us-trans-tipping-point?page=1

However the tipping point does not mean the gender wars will be over.

It will just mean the wars will enter a new stage. It will look very different in the context of the US than the UK where arguably we had our tipping point already.

US: 'Trans tipping point' | Mumsnet

Article on (mostly) treating children for 'trans' identities. [[https://nypost.com/2024/10/19/us-news/pain-confusion-compassion-how-the-us-has-reach...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5191432-us-trans-tipping-point?page=1

lcakethereforeIam · 24/10/2024 11:10

NotBadConsidering · 24/10/2024 08:46

This is massive news. A gender clinician who has performed mastectomies on children as young as 12 has deliberately hidden data showing puberty blockers don’t help. Olson Kennedy claims that he doesn’t want it “weaponised” but he is weaponising it by hiding it. The scandal continues.

Is Dr O-K also trans?

RoyalCorgi · 24/10/2024 11:23

Chersfrozenface · 23/10/2024 19:15

When Olson-Kennedy says that it's fine for a teenage girl to have a double mastectomy because “If you want breasts at a later point in your life, you can go and get them!”, she means the kind of breast implants transwomen get. So cosmetic imitations, not functioning female breasts.

Because that's what this is about - mere surface appearance.

Why not cut off your legs? You can always get prosthetic ones later.

These people are beyond the pale.

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