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Bravo Gisèle

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HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 23/10/2024 12:24

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgr2yym0nko

"I want all women who have been raped to say: Madame Pelicot did it, I can too. I don't want them to be ashamed any longer,"

"I've been told I'm brave. This isn't being brave, it's having the will and determination to change society."
"Bravery means jumping into the sea to rescue someone. I just have will and determination," she said.
"This is why I come here every day... Even if I hear unspeakable things, I am holding on because of all the men and women who are right behind me."

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Gisèle Pelicot takes stand in French mass rape trial

She tells a court she wants women who have been raped to know that "it's not for us to have shame - it's for them".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgr2yym0nko

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TrainedByDinosaurs · 23/10/2024 18:03

HerculesMulligannn · 23/10/2024 15:22

I read that women are attending the court everyday, some from quite far away, to applaud her in and out of the proceedings each time. I thought that was a lovely thing to do as a show of solidarity and support.

I’ve never had an desire to see people in the public eye or participate in public shows of emotion before but if I was within sensible travelling distance this is one time I’d travel to show support

HerculesMulligannn · 23/10/2024 18:06

TrainedByDinosaurs · 23/10/2024 18:03

I’ve never had an desire to see people in the public eye or participate in public shows of emotion before but if I was within sensible travelling distance this is one time I’d travel to show support

Yes, I completely agree. Usually I hate performative acts but this is a rare occasion to me when a performative act feels so fitting.

PrettyParrot · 23/10/2024 18:11

She is remarkable. She was quoted as saying something like "Shame must swap sides" wrt this trial - 100% right.

Craftysue · 23/10/2024 18:13

The bravery of this lady is humbling - I'm so glad that so many people are supporting her in the courtroom. The defence lawyers attempts to discredit her are disgusting

StressedEric · 23/10/2024 18:15

I want to go to the court and clap her in . I am in absolute awe of her .

PerkingFaintly · 23/10/2024 18:16

I'm so full of admiration for her.

All power to her, and to survivors on this thread.

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 23/10/2024 20:04

PrettyParrot · 23/10/2024 18:11

She is remarkable. She was quoted as saying something like "Shame must swap sides" wrt this trial - 100% right.

'She told the court in Avignon she wants women who have been raped to know that "it's not for us to have shame - it's for them".'

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talentedcharisma · 23/10/2024 20:05

She is incredible and I am so glad that she had her children to support her.

talentedcharisma · 23/10/2024 20:06

When I had trauma therapy for SA this is exactly what my therapist taught me.

That the perpetrator projects their own shame onto the victim.

This is what she's standing up against. It is so brave of her to draw this line so long publicly for others and I'm so grateful to her for doing it. I just wish she was never in the position to have had to.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 23/10/2024 20:15

Brava, Gisele 🌻

TiramisuThief · 23/10/2024 20:18

MarieDeGournay · 23/10/2024 17:30

Here is a video.

Very moving.

What an astonishing woman she is. Love that video, it made me feel quite teary!

She is a true heroine - a circumstance forced upon her and she met it head on and said I want everyone to know what these men did. Amazing, amazing woman.

HerculesMulligannn · 23/10/2024 20:25

talentedcharisma · 23/10/2024 20:05

She is incredible and I am so glad that she had her children to support her.

I agree that her children have seemed staunch in their support of her - and very visible in it. It must be very difficult for them as well. I assume they must know some of the perpetrators.

MagentaRavioli · 23/10/2024 20:25

“It is not for us to have shame, it is them”

MagentaRavioli · 23/10/2024 20:26

“It is not for us to have shame, it is them”

FranticFrankie · 24/10/2024 12:43

What a woman!
Thank you Gisèle 🌷

Igmum · 24/10/2024 13:26

A truly courageous woman Flowers

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/10/2024 15:53

I also saw on another thread that she spoke out when one of the men's wives said she felt responsible because she didn't have sex with her husband when he wanted, to reassure her that it was completely the man's fault, not hers. Amazing woman.

PeachyKeane · 24/10/2024 15:59

"Men....there was a horrific interview with the mayor of her town bemoaning the negative publicity; saying everyone is bored of the trial; that being unconscious made her suffering far less worthy."

Jesus! Unbelievable.

This woman is an icon.

duc748 · 24/10/2024 16:05

Amazing woman. Should get the Légion d'Honneur.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 24/10/2024 16:19

MaidOfAle · 23/10/2024 12:54

These threads should not be in the FWR ghetto. Rape isn't a "women's problem", it is a human rights violation that is perpetrated by men.

Madame Pelicot is so brave and she is absolutely right that the shame of rape should not be women's to bear but be placed on the men who carry it out.

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I completely agree. She has nothing to be ashamed of (but bringing this into the open is courageous). The men involved, including those who didn't do anything directly against her but didn't go to the Police, should be ashamed.

MaidOfAle · 24/10/2024 17:39

PeachyKeane · 24/10/2024 15:59

"Men....there was a horrific interview with the mayor of her town bemoaning the negative publicity; saying everyone is bored of the trial; that being unconscious made her suffering far less worthy."

Jesus! Unbelievable.

This woman is an icon.

I wanted to kick him in the nuts and then repeat his words to him. No one's really been hurt because no one's dead, right? So the kick to the nuts wouldn't "really" hurt him, right?

There was a poster who suggested that the gendarmerie should have a look at the mayor's computer. I agree: voicing a view like that means that at best he doesn't think that rape causes harm and at worst he doesn't recognise that women aren't "no one" when he's saying that "no one" really got hurt.

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 24/10/2024 17:48

Firstly, what an amazing women. There should be statues to her. She should be given the highest award for bravery. Her grace throughout this has been amazing.

But what should shock me, but sadly doesn’t, is that not one man who knew about this did anything. There must be some who were told about it by a friend or heard rumours or even who got there and realised this was wrong. Not one of them reported it. Not one of them said anything. Not one of them said to the husband this was wrong. Not one of them said something to their wife and asked her opinion.

80skid · 24/10/2024 18:01

She's an awesome woman who despite horrific suffering at the hands of her husband is behaving with dignity and love towards her fellow women.

Coincidentally, I think yesterday it was the anniversary of marital rape being outlawed in the UK in 1991. A man had been in court using the defence that his wife's body belonged to him and the findings of this case have had a massive impact of the way sexual offences within relationships are dealt with in the UK.
In some ways it's mind blowing that this ever needed to be said. And here we are, years later men claiming to think having sex with an unconscious woman is not non-consensual.

One of the defendants even claimed to think she was dead - how many levels of wrong can one sentence be???
One wife blamed herself for her husband's rape of Gisèle, because she had refused sex with him while her mother was ill. Gisèle treated her beautifully and reassigned the blame for rape on the rapist, where it should always be.

I wish Gisèle all of the best and send my love and admiration to her and her family.

Namaqua · 24/10/2024 18:01

She is amazing. She has refused to feel any shame over what happened to her. She is changing society in France I feel. Brava Mme Pelicot.

duc748 · 24/10/2024 18:02

That's right; how many was it, 80 men? And how many more did he ask who didn't respond, and how many more heard about it through the grapevine? Must be well over one hundred. And not one of them thought, fuck this, I'm calling the police?